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good evening ladies and gentlemen thank

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you very much for your patience uh we

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have had no end of trouble i've got a

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really big storm coming into ottawa

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right now and it has affected my main

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internet line

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and we've had uh

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no host of or no shortage of uh computer

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issues also as a result with all the

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power fluctuations so thank you very

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much welcome to the den of lore please

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do grab your glasses of scotch pull your

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chair up to the fire uh because we're

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gonna learn some cool [\h__\h] tonight

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courtesy of good friend of the show

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laird scranton the great

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laird scranton and we're going to be

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talking about all things comparative

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cosmological in nature

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uh and uh get to you know i follow his

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facebook a lot so maybe we'll get some

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uh get his opinion on some of the

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current goings on south of the border uh

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now i know that we also do have

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another individual on the show uh big

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sexy is not with us uh tonight

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apparently um he wasn't on on uh

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on skype before the start but

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we do have

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big sexy kevin from nebraska winner of

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the send denver michaels a sammich

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contest

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how are you doing

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big sexy kevin

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hey i am great how about yourself

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i'm fine now because we're live and on

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air uh and i can actually breathe

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a little bit easier

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thankfully and one more thing i just

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need to

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turn on

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the webcam hello everybody i'm hoping

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that i'm coming through nice and clear

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i'm getting messages on facebook as well

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as

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plug in the phone usb disable wi-fi and

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plug ethernet and select usb on your

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yeah um danny thank you very much for

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the suggestion i'm not gonna tether my

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phone because my internet bill will be

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massive

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i do have another internet connection

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which is working fine so

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uh so thank you for the suggestion i

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appreciate the help

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now i know that we're starting a little

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bit late today so i'm gonna

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chug through our opening segment

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first of all

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if you like the show if you're the first

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a little smoother than they are today

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guarantee electronics are man-made as it

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were so uh subscribe to the channel uh

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in addition to that we also do have a

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new live audio simulcast which i'm

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looking at the stream for that which

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seems to be going well and that'll be in

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the show notes below this video and you

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can get in with chat or you can get in

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uh just just listening at deadoflord.com

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it's up to you

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uh now i i did want to be able to thank

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our patrons who keep us on the air when

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the weather is not doom and gloom

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first of all sentient and uh venice for

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magical egypt uh thank you very much

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mark catalano uh as well as a doug

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matic and our show mom ellen mccurdy uh

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thank you very much to all of you and

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also thank you to danny kerr who has

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supported the show uh nonstop since he

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discovered us

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and i i want to say thank you guys for

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making sure that we can stay on the air

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and ensure that uh the internet that is

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supposed to be working actually does

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work

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and we can come to you live every single

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now i know that uh kevin you were on the

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show for

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well you're you're on the hangover a

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couple weeks ago after you won the

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contest um to all of you out there we do

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have a contest in june

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which uh will be pretty simple

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again if you you enter for a dollar you

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can either go to denvelore.com click

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support the show in the top right hand

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corner or donate to the show you can

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donate just a one time for one dollar or

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you can uh go to our patreon patreon

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page and subscribe there for as little

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as a dollar

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and the winner at the end of the month

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when i draw we'll get this brand

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spanking new factory sealed

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uh edition this is a zero day edition of

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final fantasy 15 for ps4

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giving it away for free while a dollar

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which is

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close enough to being free or a dollar

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35 if you're canadian

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um so yeah that's all i need to do i'm

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gonna draw that name uh

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the first show of july and we're gonna

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take uh take this contest all the way

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through the end of our ross uh our ross

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hamilton episode on the 29th so you

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still have lots of time to get involved

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and uh get in on this

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so thank you

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now another thing we're gonna try and do

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a contest every single week so or every

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single month i should say

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now again just a little bit of news

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that's going on with the show

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uh we're actually going to be expanding

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which i you a lot of you are wondering

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what does that mean expanding the

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channel well we have the main den of

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however long again if you talk to ed

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nightingale it can sometimes go five

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hours uh depending on the guest

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live on youtube which will also be

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after the fact as den of lore always is

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crypto report which uh i actually miss

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it kind of took the the sandwich contest

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i'm trying to who else did i ask

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so that will be starting very very soon

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please do subscribe to the channel so

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you can get that awesome content it'll

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uh so please do

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opportunity now a cool thing

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right now is that we are going to be

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denver michaels it's going to be a new

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and it's it you don't have to submit

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anything but we are going to find one

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good sandwich

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from the world out there

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and we are going to make it

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test it

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rate it and then discuss it on the show

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for you all to to enjoy and to get a

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adventures down uh you know around the

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in addition to that we're also going to

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put the recipes on denivlore.com so

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and give us your opinions on it

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just going to bring this to the to the

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uh now a friend of mine as you as some

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of you do know i'm a kind of a big fan

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have a lot of friends in all different

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communities whether they're fighters

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whether they're trainers whether they

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are journalists and a good old friend of

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who is a journalist and does uh

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does releases for uprocks

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uh reinhardness you may have heard of

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him you may not have heard of him um

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well recently he released a

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article on uh ronda rousey and uh had uh

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quoted uh chelsen and had criticized him

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for saying that ronda rousey was not a

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fighter now uh a funny thing is is that

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uh now again you may know chael sonnen

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you know former ufc fighter now fights

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for bellator uh constant uh for at least

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former for whatever reason title

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contender and uh up until recently uh

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tito ortiz punching bag

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he emailed my friend at about 1 30 in

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and after this critical article was put

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out and literally

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told my friend um well called called him

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you know worthless whatever and

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basically said you're the type like i'm

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the type of person you don't want to

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make an enemy so he threatened my

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journalist friend with a late night

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widely listened to podcast

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basically calling him a hack and all

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this but he now chael is uh his personas

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that he's an [\h__\h] i think he's

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actually an [\h__\h] i'm not too sure he

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has various accusations left against him

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and is also caught for cheating uh you

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know drug doping so you know that's uh

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take that for what it is

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so on this show he then explains himself

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as to what he actually meant by rhonda

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is not a fighter which is she doesn't

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have the fighting spirit she can't fight

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back now if he'd been able to

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um you know say this in the first place

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i would have been fine with it and

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probably wouldn't have said anything

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uh so

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now all i need to be able to do is

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remind him if he listens to this and

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he'll be funny

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uh that you're the man's in show

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business and the role of show business

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is

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if you can get somebody a lot more

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famous than you to say your name you win

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so uh you know chael if you're out there

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thank you very much for

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helping my friend ryan nguyen uh you

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know this humble fight journalist out in

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the wilds of the ottawa valley

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and

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yeah good good good good luck in your

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next fight you're

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if if wandelite does show up

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uh you're gonna have a hard time

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i am going to go on to the next segment

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and just be able to welcome

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our wonderful guest and again blair

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thank you very much for your patience

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while we got through that opening

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segment uh just going to read your bio

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out here for you laird scranton is an

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independent researcher of ancient

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cosmology and language his studies in

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comparative cosmology have served to

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help synchronize aspects of ancient

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african egyptian vedic chinese

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polynesian and other world cosmologies

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and have led to alternate approach to

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reading egyptian hieroglyphic words his

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degrees in the english

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is in english from vassar college now he

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became interested in the dogon mythology

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and symbolism in the early 1990s and has

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studied ancient myth language and

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cosmology since 1997 and has been a

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lecture at colgate university which is

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quite cool

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he also appears in john anthony west's

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magical egypt dvd series and lives in

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albany new york

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cool part is his writings uh also

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include books and articles published and

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or taught by a collegiate university

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temple university and the university of

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chicago and his research is featured

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also in the brand new magical egypt 2

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series

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mr scranton laird how are you doing

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oh i'm doing great sorry you've had a

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little bit of a struggle here with

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weather tonight

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that's the way things go you know it

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seems uh

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anytime we get into talking about

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esoteric uh subjects all sorts of odd

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things happen electronically

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well you know it the

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big part of our

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our field is uh also researchers

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we are known to be fighters we we kind

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of push through things whether it's

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quakademics questioning our you know

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research or methods or love of certain

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subjects or the occasional technological

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problem um i'm just very thankful there

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were no pyramids that i had to build

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tonight

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uh it was just a it's just a radio show

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and of course uh any glitches is bound

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is far more likely to happen right

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immediately before showtime than it is a

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half an hour ahead

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and especially with the the get you know

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especially with our you know quote

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unquote headlining guest for the month

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it's it's always it's always the the big

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events that these things get thrown at

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so i'm very happy that that you've been

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around the block you know what uh you

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know shows like ours can can deal with

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especially a live program and again it's

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it's a privilege and an honor and i'm

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very appreciative that you have made the

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time to come on the show for our

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throwback month

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thank you

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while i was doing research uh today i

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actually noticed now at this point that

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you because i've been doing the show for

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intensely for the last while that you

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and i now actually have more mutual

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friends than i do with a lot of my own

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very funny

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so it's yeah you know somebody posts

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something out there i either see you

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share it you comment on it or you like

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it and it's

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you know it's just part of just the job

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so again just guaranteeing right now if

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you see me my comments popping up

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anywhere i'm not following you online

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just to make sure

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yes i'm stalking you you're not stalking

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me well you know if i'm

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as the as the joke goes why is larry

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scranton such a uh such a magnetic guy

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it's because of the pharaoh moans

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pharaoh

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yeah yeah yeah

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uh i'm i'm gonna see myself out that's

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the second time i made the joke today

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and uh yeah

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[Laughter]

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now i i know that you have um

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now we all know that that um

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john anthony west who

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uh from the news i've been getting has

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has made

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large improvements in his health over

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the last couple of months i i know that

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he is uh

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at least leaving the treatment facility

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and he's up and walking and doing physio

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at this point now i spoke to clay

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earlier today so the big thing is he is

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possibly looking at returning his

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returning to his tour routes

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at the end of this year at least that's

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his target

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now i know you've been asked to start

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doing your own tours in europe did did

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you want to give a little bit of a

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background on that

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um yes there's a tour company local to a

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company company here in upstate new york

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who

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routinely do tours of ireland and places

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like that and they approached me about

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possibly leading a tour to orkney island

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my most recent book the mystery of

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scarab ray is about

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megalithic sight and things that

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happened on orkney island north of

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scotland

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in around 3200 bc

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so um they're hoping to take a group of

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maybe 12 to 20 people there in september

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if there's enough interest though we'll

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have a tour

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um

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and we'll spend uh four days on orkney

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island visiting all these sites and

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we'll spend another four days

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down

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west of england of london seeing avery

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and stonehenge

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let's see

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um

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i'll be doing a presentation on my book

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uh the mystery of scarab ray while we're

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on orkney island

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and we'll wrap up the tour with a

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morning at the british museum in london

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and a tour of london we'll have a also

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have a a guided tour of major sites in

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edinburgh in between we'll have a night

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overnight in edinburgh

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so it it could be an interesting trip

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um

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i'm looking forward to going back if it

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happens because um my

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son and i were there last year in august

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and uh just had

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i saw some amazing things

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now i i know my wife my wife has been to

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scotland uh she went to bear moral

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castle once to uh with with her dance

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troupe to

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uh

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well she wasn't dancing there but her

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sister had danced for the the royal

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family with the sons of scotland here

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that are based out of here in ottawa and

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she said that part of scotland was

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beautiful i can't even begin to imagine

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how nice the landscape is out there

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oh it is beautiful um

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i have sort of a kinship to it because i

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grew up on the west coast of the united

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states in the northwest in oregon the

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weather is very similar uncertain it's

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cloudy and rainy and every kind of

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weather you can think of

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but

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i uh happened to hit beautiful weather

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when i was here last

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august i came away with a mistaken

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impression that the the united kingdom

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only has you know beautiful sunny

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weather

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but the landscape is gorgeous and

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there are things there that are so much

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older than what we bumped into in the

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in north america

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very interesting to

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to get some insights into what those

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areas are like

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and

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for your experience like you've been

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out there at least

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i know you hadn't actually been out

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there until a while after starting to to

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research

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so

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not a problem now i know that

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your time out there you

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you you'd kind of been surprised you

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hadn't been out there sooner from from

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what i can recall the last time that we

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spoke um

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what is like

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what are kind of the things you that you

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want to be able to show or at least get

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give other people an experience while

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you're out there

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well the

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um

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i've always been a researcher who built

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on the work of other

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researchers who came before me for

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instance my dogan work

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is primarily based on

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30-year study of the dogan tribe in mali

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by some french anthropologists

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and there are any number of these

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primary source uh works out there

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that

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just waiting for someone to um to

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massage it and work with it and

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understand it

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so i've never been a person who felt

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like i had to be

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at the site necessarily to get the best

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insights into the

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topics i'm researching but in this case

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work in the island is um

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it's just really starting to come into

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the consciousness of

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of

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researchers like myself

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um there were very interesting things

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going on there at 3200 bc there's a

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there's a recent bbc documentary uh that

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suggests out

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where they are emphasizing um how the

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roots of pretty much all of the

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megalithic um construction the

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stonehenge and everything

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uh related to that around the uk

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began there in orkney island and so

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the sites that we would be taking people

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to include

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00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:31,679
a little

564
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:34,400
village called scarabray eight

565
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:37,360
uh stone houses that are interpreted as

566
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:39,039
being the first

567
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:41,280
farming village in the uk

568
00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:42,880
uh we'll be seeing

569
00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:43,919
um

570
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:49,280
stone cairns burial cairns there's a

571
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:51,600
famous burial cairn called maize howe

572
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:55,200
that we'll take a tour inside of

573
00:19:59,590 --> 00:19:57,600
there are there's a

574
00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:59,600
the city of kirkwall which is the major

575
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:01,280
city on orkney island which is just a

576
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:03,120
beautiful little little town we've got a

577
00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:05,760
chance to explore

578
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:08,320
there are museums there to see there are

579
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,000
really hundreds of little sites you

580
00:20:14,150 --> 00:20:12,320
probably spend um

581
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:14,160
quite a period of time there exploring

582
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:15,440
if you wanted to see everything that was

583
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:17,280
on the island

584
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:19,600
but this is all very very early

585
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,480
stuff

586
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:22,320
and researchers really don't have a good

587
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:23,600
concept of

588
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:25,679
what it was about so there's a whole

589
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:27,840
wealth of material here to be looked at

590
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:29,280
and interpreted and

591
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:30,799
tried to connect

592
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:33,679
the dots to other traditions

593
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:35,600
now i i know

594
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:36,320
that

595
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:37,679
at least there's a lot of people who are

596
00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:40,400
asking questions in facebook and i've

597
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:44,000
been and to to truth be told uh had a

598
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:45,360
few emergency calls with my clients

599
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:47,280
today so i didn't finish my outline i

600
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:49,679
was going to try and get as many things

601
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:51,840
from your facebook page and to try and

602
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,559
and ask you so if i if i'm stopping for

603
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:55,919
a second it's because i'm waiting for my

604
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:57,600
computer to scroll down while i look for

605
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:58,480
more

606
00:21:01,750 --> 00:21:00,000
as we're going

607
00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:01,760
um but the first the first question i

608
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:03,440
want to ask you is well well first of

609
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:05,120
all you do you have a public facebook

610
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:07,760
page that uh listeners and followers can

611
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:08,640
um

612
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,159
can go to

613
00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:12,480
it's either connected

614
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:14,960
facebook page um under my name laird

615
00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:16,960
scranton i joke that people shouldn't

616
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:18,880
mistake me with the long list of other

617
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:20,320
lairds fans

618
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:22,159
i'm the only one

619
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:24,640
but um the people who want to contact me

620
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:26,559
can friend me on facebook or message me

621
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:28,240
through facebook that's usually the

622
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:31,840
easiest way to to um to make contact

623
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:34,480
there's a layeredscranton.com website

624
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:37,039
that is actually a fan site and there's

625
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:38,159
a contact

626
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:40,400
tab there that does reach me

627
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,320
i receive an email if someone fills that

628
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:44,640
out and i try to get back to people who

629
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:47,360
have a question or or just want to make

630
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:48,640
contact

631
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:50,159
so you you have a

632
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:51,919
did fans make the site for you they just

633
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:53,679
said like we love laird scranton so much

634
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:55,120
he's so awesome we're gonna make a

635
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:57,520
facebook page in his honor

636
00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:00,159
i think someone was hoping to um

637
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,480
to entice me into paying them to

638
00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:05,039
maintain the page oh geez i think if the

639
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:07,360
truth were known and

640
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:10,000
my outlook is i know i just i i really

641
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:11,440
am looking for direct contact with

642
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,679
people i go to conferences and

643
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:15,120
facebook seems like a pretty easy way to

644
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:17,679
be found i can be found to my publisher

645
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:19,600
i don't really have a need for an

646
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:21,440
official page or any of the overhead of

647
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:23,919
trying to maintain an official page

648
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:25,840
yeah i i can say that from from personal

649
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:27,280
experience uh

650
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:28,799
i you know coming from an advertising

651
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:31,120
field i understand all the basics and

652
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,640
especially a lot of the advanced stuff

653
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,799
in terms of uh you know just con getting

654
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,480
in contact with people building a

655
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,720
community making sure that people uh not

656
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:40,559
only can engage you but also feel

657
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:43,440
appreciated for engaging you and you're

658
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,600
forgiving the time so but

659
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:47,919
knowing that takes a tremendous amount

660
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:49,919
of time to do if you've got multiple

661
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:52,159
pages you're constantly going back and

662
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,360
forth uh it you know it takes a very

663
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:57,120
very strong mind and someone with very

664
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:00,080
good uh multitasking skills

665
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:03,200
to to do it if you've got too many

666
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:06,080
yes and that multiplies pretty fast no

667
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:08,240
but um i'm

668
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:11,679
uh i'm easily found on facebook and um

669
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:14,320
i try to um make announcements of things

670
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,440
that i'm doing and things i'm

671
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:17,520
discovering on my own facebook page and

672
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:19,120
seems like a sort of centralized place

673
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,400
for people to

674
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:22,400
to find out about me now larry i want to

675
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,919
apologize now if you start getting an

676
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:25,840
avalanche of friend requests in the next

677
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:27,039
couple of minutes

678
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,960
um but i know that i've got some people

679
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:30,240
saying that they are

680
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:31,280
now

681
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,640
there is one question that i did want to

682
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:34,640
ask you uh originally this was actually

683
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:36,159
this is actually from a listener that's

684
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:38,080
coming in via twitter

685
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,760
and

686
00:23:43,270 --> 00:23:41,600
see if i can

687
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:43,280
oh twitter actually changed their entire

688
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,480
interface while i was setting up the

689
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,880
show today apparently

690
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,640
like their app just completely changed

691
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,880
i'm like what is this like where where's

692
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:52,240
the messages okay

693
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:54,799
uh let's see here

694
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:57,600
this is from

695
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:00,799
a mr rn voot

696
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:04,320
and let's see here

697
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:11,269
let's see here oh

698
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:16,870
now the question actually starts at if

699
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:19,120
it asks whether you've inadvertently

700
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:21,039
discovered the ark of the covenant

701
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:22,080
and

702
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:25,600
used to write emails like this exactly

703
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:27,120
so i understand where he's coming from

704
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:28,880
this may sound nuts but please bear with

705
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:29,760
me

706
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:32,880
uh mystery is a scarabray on page 101

707
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:36,000
in egypt the word ness implies a concept

708
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,400
of authorized ownership that rises to

709
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:40,880
the level of legal property the dogon

710
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:43,919
term su refers to an agreement

711
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:47,120
covenant means agreement or agreed deed

712
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:48,960
by legal contract

713
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:52,080
uh and apparently on page 129 regarding

714
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,679
the burial of the site or covering over

715
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:58,320
which uh you likened to the dogon

716
00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:00,320
egyptian term

717
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,000
and this is it's hyphenated so please

718
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:04,320
forgive me

719
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,159
and the druid arch also meaning to bury

720
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,240
so the

721
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:12,720
rationale being thus scarab ray being

722
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:15,039
formally agreed to be buried or covered

723
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:16,480
over indicates the ritual being

724
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,240
described as the brewing of the

725
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:21,360
agreement or ark of the covenant

726
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:25,120
so that's kind of the simple theory

727
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:26,000
okay

728
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,120
language

729
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,360
um is a really important tool for

730
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,679
pointing us to what uh the meanings of

731
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:33,200
things might have been

732
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:34,799
they're like one of the starting points

733
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:36,880
we're trying to explore

734
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:39,919
um what a thing might have meant um

735
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:42,400
whoever put the symbolic system together

736
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:44,720
that i'm working with took very great

737
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:45,600
care

738
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,480
to

739
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:48,960
um with the relationship of words that

740
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:51,279
started out as a phonetic

741
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:53,200
system that happened before written

742
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,080
language appeared and so relationships

743
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,799
between words rest on similarities of

744
00:26:01,430 --> 00:26:00,159
pronunciation

745
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,440
in fact

746
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:03,600
individual terms important terms of the

747
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,720
cosmology carry clusters of meanings

748
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,720
typically that are are unrelated to one

749
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:10,640
another that's one of the ways you can

750
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:12,880
correlate things between languages is

751
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:15,039
you have a cluster of three or four or

752
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,720
five or six meanings

753
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,640
that line up in both languages

754
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:20,960
associated with the same word and now

755
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,679
you

756
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:23,760
have a foundation for

757
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:24,880
for

758
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,720
claiming a correlation between the words

759
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:28,799
that that doesn't follow traditional

760
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:31,600
linguistics it depends more on

761
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:34,240
cosmology cosmological comparison but

762
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:35,679
the word arc

763
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:39,039
okay a lot one of the um i say this one

764
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:40,320
of the

765
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,080
techniques was used symbolically to

766
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,240
communicate information over

767
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:48,320
a period of long periods of time

768
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:51,120
was they would bury certain objects or

769
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:55,120
or some leave symbolic

770
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:56,480
artifacts

771
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,400
alongside sites like this they would

772
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,720
they would bury and

773
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:02,400
um

774
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,919
because of the similarities of the way

775
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,679
words are pronounced

776
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:07,440
the thing they buried is pronounced like

777
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:09,200
the thing they're trying to tell you

778
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,159
the message they're trying to get to

779
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:14,559
an egyptian word for that means to cover

780
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:18,000
over is pronounced arc well arc also is

781
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:21,520
a word that refers to

782
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:23,440
a primary structure of matter it's a

783
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,559
spiral of matter and these sites on

784
00:27:30,390 --> 00:27:28,240
orkney island that lead to the scarab

785
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:30,400
ray village are laid out

786
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,799
conceptually in the form of a spiral

787
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:35,039
and so it's reasonable to think that in

788
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:37,279
the mindset of this cosmology that

789
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:39,039
you can apply that term arc to the

790
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:40,240
spiral

791
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,039
so

792
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:43,440
covering over the sites and deliberately

793
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,549
allows you to make the argument that

794
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,960
that uh the terms arc was

795
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:53,039
was was what was intended you have a

796
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,320
similar thing happening at go back to

797
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:56,480
tepe where things were buried over

798
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:57,440
um

799
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,960
there's another

800
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:00,320
word arc

801
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,000
um actually there's a word that that

802
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,640
means sticks are over um where the

803
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:06,640
symbols of the word

804
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:07,840
um

805
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:09,760
depict

806
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,640
um

807
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,720
a daily action that happens in hebrew

808
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:14,799
when they um are finished reading from

809
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:17,200
the torah scroll you might not know that

810
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,640
every

811
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:20,240
hebrew temple in the world reads the

812
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,480
same portion of the torah scroll on the

813
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:24,720
same day and during the course of the

814
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:26,240
year they make their all the way all the

815
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:28,159
way through the the torah scroll and

816
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,919
then rewind it at the end of the year

817
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:30,960
but when they're finished reading

818
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:34,320
today's portion then they carefully

819
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,360
cover over the torah scroll and tie it

820
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:39,600
and place it in a cabinet called an

821
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,159
oronha kodesh which gets abbreviated

822
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,720
abbreviated to ark

823
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:46,240
well the glyphs of this egyptian word

824
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:48,159
that means to cover over

825
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:50,320
shows the picture of a set pictures that

826
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:51,600
essentially

827
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:52,799
imply a

828
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:56,240
scroll being tied and covered over

829
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:57,760
and so

830
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:59,840
it's another reason to think that

831
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:01,520
there's a ritual purpose behind this

832
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:03,039
covering of these sites

833
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:05,440
that it's saying whatever instructional

834
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:06,399
purpose

835
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:07,840
was supposed to be accomplished at this

836
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,760
site was finished and now that we're

837
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,520
finished with it we're putting it away

838
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:13,279
the same way we put away

839
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:15,520
a taurus call after we had finished

840
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,480
a portion of reading that

841
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:19,840
so

842
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:21,919
you could to try to attach that to the

843
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:25,440
concept of the ark of the covenant

844
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:27,679
it's likely that the term arc is

845
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,120
connected and

846
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:31,360
that the concepts are connected the

847
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,640
problem is

848
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,960
that the arc of the covenant concept is

849
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:36,320
a leading enough concept from my

850
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:39,279
perspective that it doesn't

851
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,799
clearly tie

852
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:42,720
to

853
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:46,880
intended

854
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,880
from the perspective of

855
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:50,799
say christianity when they talk about

856
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:53,840
the arab covenant it's hard to

857
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:56,399
anchor what they were talking about

858
00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:59,120
um the era that i'm looking at was was

859
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:02,080
longer before christianity

860
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:04,720
than we are after christianity

861
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,360
because the era i'm looking at is maybe

862
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,080
200 years before christianity and we're

863
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:12,640
only 2 000 some years after

864
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:14,320
so you can imagine

865
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:15,279
the

866
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:19,120
way people communicate things so yes

867
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,320
it's a possibility because of the

868
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:22,240
resemblance of terms that there might be

869
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,919
a connection to the ark of the covenant

870
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:25,520
but there's not enough information in

871
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:26,960
the letter tradition to know what that

872
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,720
connection might be

873
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:30,480
uh i've got a question from from the

874
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:33,440
youtube chat which and they're asking um

875
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:36,399
with this covering over uh wrapping

876
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:38,080
would i should say would this covering

877
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:39,919
over and wrapping be related to early

878
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:42,320
clothing for you know for example togas

879
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:43,760
in greece or

880
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:51,110
indirectly yes um

881
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:53,679
the mindset of what was happening in

882
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,159
these ancient times is

883
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,320
uh that there was a civilized a

884
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:00,240
deliberate civilizing plan whose main

885
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,720
goal was to teach us how to be farmers

886
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:04,960
as opposed to hundreds and gatherers and

887
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:08,399
that that civilizing plan was tagged to

888
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:10,640
the symbolic cosmology that talks about

889
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:13,039
concepts of creation there's sort of a

890
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:15,440
if you know about mnemonics where

891
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:16,960
you try to use one thing to help you

892
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:19,440
remember another thing

893
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:22,320
that each of the skills of agriculture

894
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:23,760
that were being taught

895
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,480
were

896
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,320
framed in a way so that if you could

897
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:28,559
remember how to plow a field you could

898
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,320
remember a certain concept relating to

899
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:32,880
creation concepts of creation

900
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:35,039
and clothing was one of those related

901
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,559
concepts it represents it has symbolism

902
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,159
that connects to

903
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,320
one of these stages of creation

904
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:44,640
and so there's a connection through the

905
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:46,880
cosmology to that but not directly to

906
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:49,440
this idea of covering over a site

907
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:52,240
okay now another you know word example

908
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:53,760
if if covering over a site would be like

909
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:55,200
a you know like a temporal arc kind of

910
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:57,039
like the covering of the pot belly hill

911
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:59,760
uh in turkey also known as gobekli tepe

912
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:01,120
which for anybody who's listening that

913
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:07,750
there are

914
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:09,679
numerous perspectives on what was going

915
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:12,159
on at go back to tepe and mine is by no

916
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,880
means uh none of them are accepted

917
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:17,039
mine's not by no means the most popular

918
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,480
of the outlooks

919
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:20,720
but um

920
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:23,120
the covering of these sites from

921
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:25,600
from my point of view um

922
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:28,000
the information that was being conveyed

923
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,640
in the cosmology was

924
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,640
of the sort of thing that only a

925
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:34,559
technological society would understand

926
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,200
it

927
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:37,440
they're talking about

928
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,559
fundamental

929
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,320
structures of matter

930
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:42,799
they include pictures of electron orbits

931
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,840
and things like that only a very highly

932
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:47,679
technologically capable society would be

933
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,760
able to recognize what they were talking

934
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:51,200
about and know that it was meaningful

935
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:52,080
stuff

936
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,120
and so

937
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:55,440
from the perspective of of

938
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:58,080
bc which is when um go back to tepe

939
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,519
happened

940
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:01,200
you can argue that their target our

941
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:02,880
audience was way out in the distance it

942
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:04,640
was essentially us

943
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:06,159
and if we know that that's the target

944
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:07,840
audience then it makes sense that they

945
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,320
might want to cover over a site for our

946
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:12,320
benefit knowing that by covering it they

947
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:14,480
preserve it

948
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:15,200
and

949
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:16,880
what one of the token outlooks is that

950
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,960
that was deliberately done that they

951
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:20,559
deliberately covered things to preserve

952
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:22,159
them

953
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:23,600
but i also can see that one of the

954
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:28,080
motives was this ritual motive um it

955
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:29,919
associates the site with that whole

956
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,480
process of reading a torah scroll

957
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,080
and you know that's kind of fascinating

958
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:35,840
that even something from that far back

959
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:38,080
was carried forward you know throughout

960
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:41,039
time like we're talking you know the

961
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:43,600
late antiquity within

962
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:46,480
you know 1400 bc or later 30 or up to

963
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,320
3200 bc even to now in 2018d so

964
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:52,399
you know if if we're talking about the

965
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:54,080
longest continuously

966
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,760
worshipped religion and again some

967
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:57,519
theorists may may claim differently or

968
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,799
they'll bring up some obscure one but

969
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:00,480
mainstream religion

970
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,320
whereas the the same traditions and and

971
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:03,919
symbolism have been carried forward for

972
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:05,679
that for that

973
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:08,320
length of time unbroken is phenomenal

974
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:09,359
especially

975
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,669
right and the trick is

976
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,599
trying to find the cultures where the

977
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:21,359
least amount of telephone games sort of

978
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,679
was playing where things uh where

979
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,520
things were preserved intact as opposed

980
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:27,440
to things sort of slowly morphing over

981
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:29,280
time

982
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,560
and the dogan happened to be one of

983
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:32,879
those cultures and one of the ways they

984
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:35,440
they managed to accomplish that was by

985
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:38,079
retaining it as an oral tradition their

986
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:40,879
outlook is that if you write the act of

987
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:42,879
writing something down

988
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:45,520
sort of absolves the person who knows it

989
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:46,879
of the responsibility of really

990
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:49,040
mastering it and understanding it

991
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:50,560
and so

992
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,520
texts

993
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:53,599
are you know they deteriorate no matter

994
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,119
what media you happen to put the

995
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,200
information on to it's going you're

996
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:59,119
going to have fragmentary texts you're

997
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:00,720
going to have

998
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,240
someone in another language trying to

999
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:03,760
interpret things who doesn't understand

1000
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,240
the original language perfectly um

1001
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:08,480
whereas when you have a person who can

1002
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,200
explain the concepts to you um they get

1003
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,440
transmitted correctly and so in my

1004
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:15,119
experience the cultures that never

1005
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:16,640
developed writing are the ones who did

1006
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:19,359
the best job of keeping this stuff

1007
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,560
correct

1008
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:22,160
and being able to

1009
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,079
you know transcribe things into stone

1010
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,160
for instance would definitely be

1011
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:28,480
advantageous because you know the

1012
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:29,680
difference between something like

1013
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:32,240
granite or something like limestone as

1014
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:33,760
we've seen with the weathering of the

1015
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:37,359
sphinx uh you know you can get 10 20 30

1016
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,440
000 years out of out of a solid piece of

1017
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:41,440
granite without too much weathering

1018
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:42,320
uh

1019
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:44,720
whereas pretty much pretty much nothing

1020
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:46,480
else is going to survive long periods of

1021
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:49,920
time um i've heard statements that 5 000

1022
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:51,920
years from now you wouldn't find any

1023
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:55,040
remnant of a skyscraper on that end

1024
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:56,880
well concrete especially the concrete we

1025
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:59,119
produced today is nothing that even the

1026
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,760
romans could do

1027
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,680
right so if you if it can be set in

1028
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:05,280
stone then it has a possibility of

1029
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,560
surviving and that's pretty much all the

1030
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:08,640
archaeologists have to work from as you

1031
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:10,960
get back into some of these early eras

1032
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:13,040
if it wasn't set in stone they they

1033
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,960
can't be sure about it

1034
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,960
now i know that there and i'm going to

1035
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,640
go through my list of interesting

1036
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:20,560
questions to try and delve into here

1037
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:21,440
with you

1038
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,160
i i know that you recently posted a tale

1039
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:26,640
of the scandinavian scandinavian saga

1040
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:29,839
related to orkney island and the pygmies

1041
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:31,280
would you be able to go into a little

1042
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:34,320
bit of detail about that

1043
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:35,520
yes and to get a little bit of

1044
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:37,040
background you have to understand what

1045
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:39,760
the dogans say happened the dogans say

1046
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,400
that the reason they know all sorts of

1047
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,640
odd scientific details that they

1048
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:46,240
it seems seems they shouldn't know

1049
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:48,800
without having technology

1050
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:51,920
is because in ancient times someone

1051
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:54,000
deliberately taught these things to them

1052
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,000
someone who already knew them

1053
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,320
taught them to them

1054
00:37:01,589 --> 00:37:00,320
and

1055
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:01,599
we have

1056
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:05,200
comparisons between the symbolic system

1057
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,960
of the buddhists that goes with the

1058
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,200
buddhist stupa shrine

1059
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,520
and the cosmology the symbolic system

1060
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:13,119
that the dogan have

1061
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,280
and they're given in different languages

1062
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,760
so we know that one didn't just adopt it

1063
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,680
from wholesale from the other they were

1064
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:21,359
both doc

1065
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:22,560
we have ways of demonstrating that

1066
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:24,800
they're both ancient traditions that go

1067
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:26,000
back

1068
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:28,880
at least thousands of years if not um

1069
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:31,119
you know four or five thousand years

1070
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:32,320
um

1071
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:34,160
the buddhists say

1072
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,440
their teachers were non-human

1073
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:39,119
the dogans say they were not only

1074
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:41,839
non-human but that they were originally

1075
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,240
non-material in a complicated way the

1076
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:46,400
dogan outlook is that

1077
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:49,200
universes form in pairs one non-material

1078
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:50,960
than one material

1079
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:53,200
and that their teachers had originally

1080
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,880
been non-material but found a way to act

1081
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,040
within a material frame to to teach

1082
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:01,200
these things to the to the ancestors of

1083
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,480
the domain

1084
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:04,560
and the dogans say that their teachers

1085
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,640
were concerned about

1086
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,800
potential bad effects that could happen

1087
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:09,599
to

1088
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:10,960
humans

1089
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:12,800
as a consequence of being in prolonged

1090
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:16,320
contact with these non-material teachers

1091
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:17,119
so

1092
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,760
eight tribes people at a remote location

1093
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,599
teach them all the things that they

1094
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,839
wanted to teach and then send them back

1095
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:30,000
to teach everybody else in the tribe

1096
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:31,440
now that's a dynamic that we see

1097
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:33,359
repeated in cultures all over the world

1098
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:34,960
in their mythologies

1099
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:37,119
there again and again and again there

1100
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:38,880
are traditions of

1101
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,000
eight

1102
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:42,720
ancestors who are sort of quasified over

1103
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:43,599
time

1104
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,839
who bring civilizing skills into a

1105
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:47,680
culture and teach them how to farm and

1106
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:49,520
teach them how to

1107
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:50,480
do

1108
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:53,119
metal work and stone work and and things

1109
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:54,880
like that domesticate animals and so

1110
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:55,760
forth

1111
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:58,800
so on scarabray what we have is a

1112
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:01,920
cluster of eight chambered houses

1113
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:03,680
that

1114
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,000
there's reason to think connect to this

1115
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,040
dogan tradition and um one of the

1116
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:11,440
reasons to think that

1117
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:13,520
the starting point

1118
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:15,280
well i won't go into the details of it

1119
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,960
right now but there are direct

1120
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:18,320
architectural

1121
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:20,960
connections between orkney island and

1122
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:24,640
scarabray and the dogen that link us

1123
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:27,599
to the cosmology now the earliest sagas

1124
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,280
in scandinavia

1125
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,520
say that

1126
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:33,680
the scandinavians found two groups

1127
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:36,480
cohabiting on orkney island one was a

1128
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:38,000
group of pygmies

1129
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:40,160
who were described as having very

1130
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:41,760
strange habits

1131
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,320
and the other was a set of average sized

1132
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,000
clerics who always wore white like the

1133
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:48,160
dovindu and who were so different from

1134
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:49,839
the scandinavians

1135
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,589
so we have the possibility based on

1136
00:40:02,710 --> 00:39:59,280
those descriptions

1137
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,720
that they accidentally encountered

1138
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:03,920
the dogan

1139
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:06,160
clerics

1140
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,280
side by side with their their teachers

1141
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:11,440
one of the supporting elements for that

1142
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:14,880
idea is that an egyptian word for pygmy

1143
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:17,200
is nema and in the egyptian hieroglyphic

1144
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:19,599
language the vowel sounds like hebrew

1145
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,960
aren't written down so you don't know

1146
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:23,040
for sure what the vowel sounds were so

1147
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:25,119
the egyptian word nema might very well

1148
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:26,800
be the same word as the token name for

1149
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:29,200
their teachers which was pneumo

1150
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:30,160
so

1151
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:31,280
we have a number of these different

1152
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:34,160
connections that make it appear as if on

1153
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:38,480
orkney island at 3200 bc 200 years or so

1154
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:39,440
before

1155
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:41,920
the appearance of dynastic egypt

1156
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:43,920
you've got a group of teachers

1157
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:46,960
and a group of dogen-like clerics

1158
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:49,920
located in us on in a location that

1159
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:52,079
gives every appearance of having been

1160
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:54,240
the equivalent of a college campus we've

1161
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:55,599
got

1162
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:58,720
megalithic structures there life-size

1163
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:01,280
structures made out of stone

1164
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:04,720
that recreate the sequence of shapes

1165
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:07,440
that the dogens say is represent how

1166
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,040
matter forms

1167
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:11,760
and these sites were connected by a road

1168
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:14,560
back in 30 200 bc so that a person could

1169
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:17,680
walk along the road and pass through

1170
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:20,240
sequentially these stages of creation it

1171
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:21,839
looks it gives gives the appearance of

1172
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:24,160
being an educational site

1173
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,839
so there are all these different

1174
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:27,440
elements that come together to make it

1175
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,960
sound like

1176
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,400
this may have been the location the

1177
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:32,400
dogan are talking about

1178
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,160
go back to tapia on the other hand in

1179
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,480
turkey which is a much earlier site

1180
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:38,079
gives the impression of being a site

1181
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:39,920
that the buddhists talk about called

1182
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,000
vulture peak where it's the first place

1183
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:44,480
where a buddha is understood to have

1184
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,839
passed knowledge to

1185
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,880
humanity one of the things i've done

1186
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,240
this week through my through facebook

1187
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,160
posts is demonstrated

1188
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:54,000
um

1189
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:57,200
dogan practices that

1190
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:58,480
look for all the world as if they

1191
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,400
connect to the go back to the teppy

1192
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,640
practices the dogan make carvings that

1193
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:04,880
that are stylistically almost um

1194
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:07,040
indistinguishable from the cobeco tepe

1195
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,680
uh pillar carvings

1196
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:11,599
uh i i know that there was the the

1197
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:14,079
recently released uh paper

1198
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:17,680
on the cosmology of quebec tepe uh i i

1199
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,880
did a a master class uh as as we do one

1200
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,800
once a month for for our

1201
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:24,880
master denizens who who support the

1202
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,800
program you know give basically present

1203
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:28,800
papers bring experts on just to give a

1204
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:30,800
presentation so

1205
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,560
uh we're originally going to have jim

1206
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:34,880
canada on last month and unfortunately

1207
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:35,680
he

1208
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:38,480
uh could not make it due to a uh

1209
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:40,880
personal matter schedule didn't work out

1210
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,359
and so he sent me the the entire paper

1211
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:45,760
for quebec litepe and reading through it

1212
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:46,640
was

1213
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:49,680
a fantastic at least as far as

1214
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,040
a

1215
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:53,280
different perspective

1216
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:55,200
now i i know the

1217
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,640
at least your position on it because

1218
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:58,880
i've read your your uh

1219
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,560
your comments based on facebook and i

1220
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,319
can understand where you're coming from

1221
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:04,960
um but what do you think about the the

1222
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,440
possibility of

1223
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:09,680
the carvings representing

1224
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,880
different constellations

1225
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:14,000
i think

1226
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,680
in the mindset of all these ancient

1227
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:18,000
cultures it makes perfect sense that

1228
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:19,520
animals would be used to represent

1229
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:21,760
constellations and we see that passed

1230
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:23,440
down in a number of different forms and

1231
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:25,520
people are familiar with the zodiacs of

1232
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:27,520
different cultures

1233
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,960
there's every reason to think that

1234
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,720
astronomy was one of the skills that was

1235
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:32,480
being constructed

1236
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,160
so that also makes sense that there

1237
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,400
would be alignments to stars and that

1238
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:38,880
they might be trying to represent

1239
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:49,030
i so i'm i'm on board with that idea

1240
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:52,150
i have a couple of caveats a couple of

1241
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:53,440
of

1242
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,640
reasons to think that um

1243
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:58,240
we have to be cautious about some of

1244
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,560
this the study that you're talking about

1245
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,079
um

1246
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,240
made it sound as if they all but

1247
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,720
outright said that they had confirmed

1248
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:08,880
the alignments

1249
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:10,880
of the stars

1250
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,839
to those pictures in that era

1251
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:15,440
in other words they could look at these

1252
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:17,040
pillars with the pictures of the animals

1253
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:18,000
on them

1254
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,599
and confirm

1255
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:21,599
that that's the way the stars would have

1256
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,839
looked behind the pillars during that

1257
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,440
era

1258
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:27,599
i know based on other work i've done

1259
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:29,359
other research for another book that's

1260
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,079
really not directly related to cosmology

1261
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:36,870
there are the astronomers have some

1262
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,040
difficulties um

1263
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:40,880
interpreting things across the boundary

1264
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,880
of of the middle of around 709 bc is

1265
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,800
where the problem comes and it's not

1266
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:48,720
just the the astronomers who have the

1267
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,760
problem

1268
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:51,440
the difficulty is this

1269
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:52,960
that

1270
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:58,000
happened since 709 bc

1271
00:45:01,270 --> 00:45:00,000
they can use their software programs to

1272
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:01,280
confirm

1273
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:03,839
where it could be viewed and on what

1274
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:06,480
data can be viewed

1275
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:09,520
not a single report of a total eclipse

1276
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:12,560
of the sun that occurred prior to 709 bc

1277
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,079
in any culture has been able to be

1278
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:16,160
confirmed that way

1279
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:19,599
now the eclipse eclipses depend on the

1280
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:21,680
relative motions of the sun the moon and

1281
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:24,240
the the earth

1282
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:26,800
and those motions are

1283
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,880
represented as being clockwise

1284
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:30,800
clock-like in that they they it would

1285
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,280
take an awful lot to change them

1286
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:35,760
so we would think that

1287
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:37,520
all we should have to do is use

1288
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:39,040
mathematics to be able to trace these

1289
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:41,040
back and verify yes there certainly

1290
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:42,319
wasn't a cross here on the stage just

1291
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:44,319
like scott reported

1292
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:45,920
now the astronomers take the point of

1293
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,160
view of well it might have been cloudy

1294
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,160
that day and maybe he got it wrong maybe

1295
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:52,560
he was off a day or maybe the guy wasn't

1296
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:55,440
really a reliable guy or maybe he

1297
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,880
mistook something that looked sort of

1298
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,280
like an eclipse for an eclipse to have

1299
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,680
this whole host of different rationales

1300
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:03,839
for why they don't have to believe the

1301
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,920
report of the guy who said there was an

1302
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:08,000
eclipse there but meanwhile the

1303
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:09,760
historians are saying

1304
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,440
that these guys are so reliable that

1305
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,520
they base the historians that base their

1306
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:15,839
official timelines of history on on

1307
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:18,319
those eclipses being correct

1308
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:19,119
so

1309
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,640
the guy who's doing the reporting has

1310
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,079
credibility for the historians but

1311
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:24,240
somehow doesn't have credibility for the

1312
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:29,109
the problem another problem is that at

1313
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,000
709 bc you have all sorts of other

1314
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:34,560
odd unexplained things happening you

1315
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,359
have a major fluctuation of the magnetic

1316
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:39,760
field of the earth that they can detect

1317
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:40,800
from

1318
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:43,040
residual magnetism in rocks

1319
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:44,480
that happened they don't know why it

1320
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,000
happened but it would take something big

1321
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:48,400
to fluctuate it that much

1322
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:50,960
there is a change in the rate at which

1323
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:53,680
plants absorb ions

1324
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,960
then these this ion absorption rate is

1325
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:58,160
critical to

1326
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,319
radiometric dating techniques

1327
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:02,160
and so all the radiometric dating

1328
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,280
techniques fail across the same 709 bc

1329
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:07,200
boundary nobody's explained or even

1330
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,119
proposed a theory as to why could that

1331
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:12,240
be there was major climate change at

1332
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:13,680
that moment

1333
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,880
such that

1334
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:16,400
crops that had been grown for thousands

1335
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,079
of years in china suddenly couldn't be

1336
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:20,319
grown there anymore

1337
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,000
and immediately following that period

1338
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:24,720
you have cultures all over the world

1339
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:27,040
deciding apparently independently of

1340
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:28,640
each other because we don't know of any

1341
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,440
um

1342
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:31,440
influence that that would cross the

1343
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:32,720
boundaries of all these widespread

1344
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:34,079
cultures

1345
00:47:38,430 --> 00:47:35,839
they all decide independently of each

1346
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:38,440
other to change their calendars from a

1347
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:43,440
360-day year to a 365-day year

1348
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:45,119
that looks an awful lot to me like they

1349
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,880
were responding to an actual change in

1350
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:48,640
the length of the year

1351
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:51,359
and what's like

1352
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:53,760
sorry go go ahead laird

1353
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:55,920
okay the other thing the other

1354
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:59,280
situations that i'm talking about um

1355
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:01,359
imply that something an event happened

1356
00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:03,520
that was large enough and influential

1357
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:05,839
enough that might theoretically have

1358
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:07,520
extended the length of the year by five

1359
00:48:12,550 --> 00:48:10,160
days all it would take would be a slight

1360
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,560
change in the um trajectory of the earth

1361
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,800
around the sun or

1362
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:16,400
something that a

1363
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:18,800
passage of an astronomical body that

1364
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,800
drew the earth out just a little bit in

1365
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:22,800
its orbit from the sun or slowed it down

1366
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:25,520
just enough to increase the year length

1367
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,319
by five days

1368
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:30,400
now i'm trying to look even while you're

1369
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,839
talking i'm trying to find information

1370
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:33,599
on that time period wikipedia has

1371
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:35,359
nothing of note really like they've got

1372
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:36,800
basic history but they don't they're not

1373
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,000
listing any

1374
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,800
type of natural disasters apparently uh

1375
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:42,800
there's one site that i found that has

1376
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,240
information you know as far as

1377
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,480
possibilities that happen in that area

1378
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:48,240
but they're not like it's it's one of

1379
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,480
the it's a website that i can't verify

1380
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:52,319
the validity of so i can't even bring it

1381
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:53,760
up as a possibility because i'm just not

1382
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:54,720
sure

1383
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:55,599
um

1384
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:58,400
well that velikovsky who is the crackpot

1385
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:00,839
crackpot according to the scientist

1386
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:03,760
has viewpoints on what happened the

1387
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,800
upshot for go back to tepe is

1388
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:07,920
that

1389
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:09,839
any study

1390
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:12,400
that seems to indicate that they verify

1391
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,359
these alignments to a date

1392
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,800
is talking to its hat as far as i'm

1393
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:18,880
concerned because i know if they can't

1394
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,280
hit those eclipse states and locations

1395
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:23,520
they have no clue where the stars were

1396
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,520
in relation to us prior to 709 bc and so

1397
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:29,280
a study becomes immediately suspect to

1398
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:31,440
me when they say they can do that

1399
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:33,440
and they said i went through the study

1400
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:36,160
and they didn't actually overtly say it

1401
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:37,760
but they did say that the alignments

1402
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,760
have been confirmed to that era and

1403
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:41,040
there there's really no other way to

1404
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:42,839
confirm them except

1405
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:45,920
to computer calculations

1406
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:51,030
sorry because that's the first

1407
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:54,400
that's the first problem i have with um

1408
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:55,680
with the study

1409
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,960
um

1410
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:58,400
the other thing is

1411
00:50:05,270 --> 00:49:59,920
that

1412
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:05,280
to tape the motive the underlying motive

1413
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:08,319
for doing these carvings on the pillars

1414
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:12,160
was to record a comet strike the this is

1415
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,440
uh an event that researchers um

1416
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:17,760
like randall carlson and graham hancock

1417
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,599
have been exploring and there's lots of

1418
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:21,359
evidence to think that the comet strike

1419
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,800
didn't happen

1420
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:25,200
but at gobekli tepe you don't have to

1421
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:28,319
have one circle of stone pillars you've

1422
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:30,000
got

1423
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:30,800
uh

1424
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:33,520
a series a number of like tens of or

1425
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:34,319
maybe

1426
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:35,520
20 of

1427
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:37,920
these stone circles built

1428
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:39,839
over the course of a period of time to

1429
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:41,440
many of which are still buried and not

1430
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:43,839
excavated and so i say

1431
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:45,920
okay if the primary motive here was to

1432
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:47,839
record the comet strike

1433
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:49,280
then what was the purpose of all those

1434
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:51,119
other stone circles

1435
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:52,240
are you telling me that we had

1436
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:55,119
calamities worth recording on stone um

1437
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,680
10 times that era

1438
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,359
or was something else going on with the

1439
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:01,119
site that can't possibly be the

1440
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,760
overriding purpose of the site if it

1441
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:05,920
only explains one of the circles

1442
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,079
if i'm not mistaken there is also a

1443
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,040
another a hill that apparently

1444
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:13,040
that's nearby i think it's about 20 or

1445
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:15,760
30 kilometers away that has similar

1446
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:18,480
structures buried beneath it uh and i'm

1447
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:20,319
trying to find the name i know and even

1448
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,960
though i i have uh graham's

1449
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:24,480
unmistakable voice in the back of my

1450
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:26,160
head saying it i just can't actually

1451
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:27,680
find i can't remember the name of it for

1452
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,119
the life of me

1453
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,680
so yeah that's the main

1454
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:33,760
argument is if it's supposed to be able

1455
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:36,079
to record this event then why are there

1456
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:37,839
so many uh

1457
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,559
where another easter egg

1458
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,720
another perspective on that is what are

1459
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:44,400
we saying happened here are we saying

1460
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:47,200
that some brave little stone carver was

1461
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:49,920
out there as the comets were falling

1462
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:51,520
tapping the stuff into stone to get the

1463
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:52,960
alignments right

1464
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:54,240
or

1465
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:55,520
are we saying that he just held it in

1466
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:57,040
memory and then after everything was

1467
00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:59,040
over he came back out then he tapped it

1468
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:01,040
into the stone to make everything look

1469
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:02,720
the way that he remembered looking in

1470
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:05,359
the sky

1471
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:07,680
there's

1472
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:09,599
it it's not a compelling argument to me

1473
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,440
that that's why these these carvings

1474
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:13,760
were made and part of the reason is not

1475
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,200
is because

1476
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,119
the entire set of elements that we see

1477
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:19,599
at go back to tape is a coherent

1478
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:21,599
grouping this is a grouping that

1479
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:22,960
survived

1480
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,920
as you

1481
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:25,680
move forward historically from the

1482
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:28,240
europe to go back to tepe pretty much

1483
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:30,079
every symbolic element that we see there

1484
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:32,000
was preserved with a group called the

1485
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,119
shakti cult in india this is a

1486
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:37,440
matriarchal cult

1487
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:38,480
that was

1488
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,480
ancestral to the vedic

1489
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:42,079
the buddhists and the hindu traditions

1490
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:43,680
it actually it actually still survives

1491
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:45,280
in india

1492
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:48,559
today the shakti called

1493
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:50,319
and so

1494
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:52,880
we can see that this um

1495
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:54,960
based on the

1496
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,800
way that these other cultures interpret

1497
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,880
these symbols that they all put place

1498
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:01,040
cosmological meaning on the symbol they

1499
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:03,040
see um

1500
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:04,559
you know

1501
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,599
a carved bull has great cosmological

1502
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,440
importance in india

1503
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,000
each of these symbolic elements does

1504
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:14,640
even the the name go back to tepe

1505
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:16,880
one of the traditional translations that

1506
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:18,800
is given in turkey for the name of the

1507
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:20,000
hill

1508
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:23,920
well nobody i knew when i was first

1509
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:25,200
researching the staff knew what pot

1510
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:26,720
belly hill meant

1511
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:29,440
by a pot belly for the shakti cult is a

1512
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:31,359
clay pot that holds filled with water

1513
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:33,040
that represents a wound this is one of

1514
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:35,200
their iconic elements

1515
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:38,000
and so and it also has cosmology it

1516
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:40,319
represents it has meaning

1517
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:41,920
symbolically in terms of the cosmology

1518
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:43,520
of all these cultures

1519
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:46,079
um the animal niches themselves were

1520
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:48,400
carved on the pillars

1521
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:50,079
if you go to an egyptian hieroglyphic

1522
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:52,240
dictionary well let's rewind just a

1523
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:53,359
little bit

1524
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:55,599
go back to tepe as a name if you take

1525
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:58,960
the word tepe in the turkish language

1526
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:00,559
look it up in a dictionary you'll find

1527
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:02,800
about 25 different meanings associated

1528
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:05,280
with the word tepe if you then go to an

1529
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:08,000
ancient egyptian dictionary you'll find

1530
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,240
a dozen of those 25 meanings also

1531
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:12,720
associated with words pronounced like

1532
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:14,240
tepe

1533
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:15,839
so this is a cluster of meanings that

1534
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:18,240
goes together you can infer from this

1535
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:18,960
that

1536
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:20,240
when

1537
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,520
the ancient people in turkey were

1538
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:23,359
talking about the word tepe they

1539
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:25,280
understood it in very similar ways to

1540
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:27,200
the way the ancient egyptians understood

1541
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:30,480
it so knowing that i looked up the names

1542
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:31,760
of the all these animals that are

1543
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:33,599
pictured on the pillows i go back to

1544
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:35,040
pepe and the egyptian highlander

1545
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:37,599
dictionary and i discovered that there

1546
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:38,880
the names of the animals are all

1547
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:42,240
pronounced like um cosmological terms

1548
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:43,280
important

1549
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:45,760
words from the cosmology and that says

1550
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:48,240
to me that these were cosmological

1551
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,559
symbols that uh a hunter-gatherer could

1552
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,319
walk up and see a picture of a scorpion

1553
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:54,960
or a picture of a vulture

1554
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:57,359
say the name of the animal which he knew

1555
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:59,040
and at the same time be speaking the

1556
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:00,960
term of cosmology that he was about to

1557
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:03,680
be instructed in standing there now i'm

1558
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:06,319
looking in for anybody who's uh watching

1559
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:09,280
on youtube uh for the live stream i i've

1560
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:11,920
just brought up an image of pillar 47

1561
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,160
pillar 27 from enclosure c at quebec

1562
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:16,880
tepe and i know that the animal carvings

1563
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:19,040
that we usually see are ones of the fox

1564
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,400
um this this one and but because all of

1565
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:24,240
the pillars were done in relief which if

1566
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:25,839
anybody who's listening is actually a

1567
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:28,400
harder way to carve something out of

1568
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:30,079
rock because you're not carving into it

1569
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:31,920
you're basically removing all the stone

1570
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:34,559
around it away for that image or figure

1571
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,559
to appear

1572
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:38,640
and for something that you know 12 000

1573
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,359
years old that that's an

1574
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:43,200
amazing achievement

1575
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,960
this particular um

1576
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:46,559
you know animal that's on there it looks

1577
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:48,480
to be some type of predator it could be

1578
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:49,280
a

1579
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:57,440
it so

1580
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:58,960
what you're saying is that you know

1581
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:01,680
these the meanings would be conveyed

1582
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:03,200
and then the individuals would be able

1583
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,880
to recite it as they're being led around

1584
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:06,559
by their teacher which

1585
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:09,440
you know if you're going to be teaching

1586
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,960
you know it's essentially and i'm going

1587
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:13,200
to use the term children uh because at

1588
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,960
that time you know our species may have

1589
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:16,799
been essentially at the the knowledge of

1590
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:18,960
a child as far as the world around it on

1591
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,720
a grander sense

1592
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,400
you know you you show them a picture of

1593
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:24,000
a cat you have the word cat underneath

1594
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:25,599
it and then you talk to the the child

1595
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,839
about what that it's proto-language it's

1596
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:30,480
a way of introducing someone to language

1597
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:32,480
but so my overall outlook about quebec

1598
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:34,799
tepe is we have a coherent set of

1599
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:37,520
symbols here that we know perfectly well

1600
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:39,359
are cosmological in every culture that

1601
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:40,799
followed of course they were

1602
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:43,040
cosmological or cobalt

1603
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:46,319
and part of that cosmological system

1604
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:47,599
is

1605
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:52,240
has to do with constellations

1606
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:53,040
but

1607
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:55,760
it's clear to me that

1608
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:57,280
there's another dimension to these

1609
00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:59,359
carvings besides representing just

1610
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:01,599
constellations

1611
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:02,640
and

1612
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,839
so what what primarily would you

1613
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:07,680
i should say what have your

1614
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:09,760
uh researchers found i know one of the

1615
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,400
big things is the fox so

1616
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:14,640
i know that the dogon has certain

1617
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,710
to give you an example about how how

1618
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:22,480
animal symbolism plays out in this

1619
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:25,599
cosmology it's usually some saline

1620
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:28,160
feature of the animal that is being

1621
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:30,160
symbolized

1622
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:31,839
for example

1623
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:34,160
a rabbit which tends to twitch

1624
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,040
represents the concept of vibration

1625
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:39,359
you find it in words whose meanings

1626
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:43,040
have to do with vibration

1627
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:45,200
the dogan

1628
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,480
one of the advantages of working with

1629
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:48,640
the dogan is they they they know

1630
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:50,880
explicitly what the symbolism of their

1631
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:53,119
various symbols are they'll flatly say

1632
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:54,720
this represents that

1633
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,599
and then one of my processes is then to

1634
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:59,200
go to other cultures that have the same

1635
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:01,359
symbol and see how they understood the

1636
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:03,359
same symbol to verify that the dogs are

1637
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:04,720
telling me the truth

1638
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:06,079
um so

1639
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:08,640
if the dogoner representing that a

1640
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:10,640
rabbit or a hair represents the concept

1641
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:12,559
of vibration and i go to an egyptian

1642
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:13,920
hieroglyphic dictionary and i find

1643
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:15,440
pictures of a rabbit or hair and words

1644
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:18,240
that represent uh quaking or shivering

1645
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:19,680
or things that are connected to

1646
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:20,960
vibration

1647
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:23,599
then um i have confirmation that they're

1648
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:26,319
going to have told me the truth

1649
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,799
now it gets easier than that because the

1650
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:30,640
way the egyptian hieroglyphic language

1651
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:32,240
ends up working

1652
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:34,640
is that every word the symbols of every

1653
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:35,520
word

1654
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:37,760
actually end up defining its own meaning

1655
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:38,960
and that if you know how to read the

1656
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:41,280
symbols the right way the word itself

1657
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:43,040
tells you its own meaning

1658
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:45,599
and some some of those words include a

1659
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:47,040
trailing glyph

1660
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,480
that's defined

1661
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:51,359
by the preceding symbolic sentence and

1662
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:53,440
so if you look at those kinds of words

1663
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:56,880
those defining words you can lay out

1664
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:59,200
definitions for hundreds of egyptian

1665
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:01,359
glyphs based on what their words are

1666
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:03,200
telling us their glyph meant

1667
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:05,680
it starts become very specific and very

1668
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:07,280
verifiable

1669
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:08,559
and the more cultures you have to

1670
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,920
compare against

1671
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:12,000
the more you can triangulate in on what

1672
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:14,079
this symbol must have been

1673
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:15,920
and so

1674
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:18,400
sorry go ahead i know with the with the

1675
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,319
phone over skype it i do have a second

1676
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,319
or two delay so i do apologize if i seem

1677
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:24,240
to be cutting in

1678
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:25,920
no i do the same thing so go so go ahead

1679
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:27,760
and ask your question if you like i i

1680
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:29,839
was going to say if you know we if

1681
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:32,240
they're using um symbology and metaphor

1682
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:34,720
to be able to convey complex

1683
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:36,559
you know complex meanings

1684
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:39,040
why why would this be

1685
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:40,640
the preferable

1686
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:43,040
mode of communication for the more

1687
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:46,720
ancient civilizations as compared to our

1688
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:48,880
more written literal form of

1689
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:53,510
uh because

1690
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:54,960
in english

1691
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:58,480
all i can represent are phonetics

1692
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:01,200
that when i see the word weak

1693
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:02,880
in english

1694
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:05,520
i've learned how to pronounce letters

1695
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:07,680
and i've i've memorized that the sound

1696
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:10,160
week refers to the concept of a week but

1697
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:12,240
that's all i've got

1698
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,760
in the egyptian word for weak

1699
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:17,520
not only do you have the phonetics of

1700
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:19,599
the word represented by the glyphs but

1701
01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:21,280
the glyphs are also associated with

1702
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:23,680
concepts and symbolically the egyptian

1703
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,240
word for week reads 10 days and that's

1704
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:28,559
the definition of an egyptian week

1705
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:30,000
it's a very simple word it's written

1706
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:31,920
with two glyphs

1707
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:33,839
i can't for the life of me understand

1708
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:36,000
why for two hundred years youtube

1709
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:37,599
apologists did take a look at this word

1710
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:41,040
and say isn't that amazing the glyphs

1711
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:43,920
symbolize the concept of a 10-day a week

1712
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:46,880
and the egyptians had a 10-day week

1713
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:49,040
now you go to ancient china

1714
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:50,799
and their word for week is it works

1715
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:52,799
exactly the same way they use a glyph

1716
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:54,880
for the number 10 that go for the that

1717
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:57,440
represents concept of the day to mean

1718
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:01,359
week and they had a 10-day week

1719
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:03,200
virtually all of virtually every

1720
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:05,280
egyptian word that i've come across

1721
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:07,520
works this way in one form or another

1722
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:08,559
where the

1723
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:10,559
the symbols of the word specifically

1724
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:13,359
define for you what the word means and

1725
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:14,960
so very often i'll learn things about

1726
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:17,599
egyptian culture that i didn't know

1727
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:19,599
but i learned it by reading the word not

1728
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:21,359
by reading it out of some book someplace

1729
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:22,640
then i have to go find a book that

1730
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:25,040
verifies it but but the words are

1731
01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:26,559
telling me things that an english word

1732
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:28,000
wouldn't tell me it's a far really a far

1733
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:31,280
superior way of representing things

1734
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:33,200
and the running joke that i have with

1735
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:34,559
people who

1736
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:35,520
have been

1737
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:37,359
at least looking at the advertisements

1738
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:39,520
for this on facebook is that your

1739
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:41,200
research is so extensive when you pick

1740
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:43,119
up a book sometimes it's your own to go

1741
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:44,160
back and

1742
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:46,880
and see exactly what you would find

1743
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:49,040
yeah that that is one of the benefits at

1744
01:01:53,829 --> 01:01:52,000
this point in the stage of it i have um

1745
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:53,839
seven books out right now and hate that

1746
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:55,119
the publisher

1747
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:58,160
um very often it's easier for me to get

1748
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:59,359
back to our reference by looking at the

1749
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,960
index of my own book than it is to go

1750
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:02,640
back and try to face back now which

1751
01:02:07,030 --> 01:02:04,720
source book was it that you know which

1752
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:07,040
writer was it who said this well i can i

1753
01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:08,480
can find the reference in my book and

1754
01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:10,480
then and then go from the source

1755
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,319
although unlike george rr martin your

1756
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:14,559
next book is probably going to come out

1757
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:16,880
you know sooner rather than never you

1758
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:18,559
know according to winds of winter if if

1759
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:19,520
you're if you're following if you're a

1760
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:20,960
fan of george r martin you get that you

1761
01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:22,240
get that reference

1762
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:24,319
um

1763
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:28,079
now i i know that uh sorry go ahead

1764
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:29,119
all right

1765
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:30,480
i didn't mean to interrupt again this

1766
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:32,079
this delay

1767
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:37,750
um

1768
01:02:45,030 --> 01:02:41,760
the the do the books and do end up

1769
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:45,040
creating resources for myself um uh

1770
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:46,799
a lot of times i look back and realize

1771
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:48,400
now i started doing this work before i

1772
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:50,400
really knew very much about

1773
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:52,559
the overall subject i was researching

1774
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:56,000
and and so the fear is always that oh i

1775
01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:57,280
wrote something down in one of those

1776
01:03:00,470 --> 01:02:58,880
early books that just so far off the

1777
01:03:01,589 --> 01:03:00,480
mark and i'll be embarrassed the rest of

1778
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:01,599
my life that i thought it meant this

1779
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:03,760
would mean something else but the truth

1780
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:05,440
of the matter is that

1781
01:03:08,549 --> 01:03:06,319
um

1782
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:08,559
i managed to be fairly close on the mark

1783
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:10,240
with um

1784
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:12,720
with all of it at least what i've seen

1785
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:15,440
so far i had the same

1786
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:17,359
impulse when i actually visited orkney

1787
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:19,039
island last year i had already written

1788
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:20,799
and and the book was already at the

1789
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:21,839
publisher

1790
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:23,760
about orkney island and i thought it

1791
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:25,200
occurred to me that i got off the plane

1792
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:27,200
what would what if i turned up something

1793
01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:28,400
while i'm here that completely

1794
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:34,230
and that's

1795
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:36,240
yeah that's always the risk if if you're

1796
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:37,839
not um you know if you're not out in the

1797
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:39,119
field and i know

1798
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:40,720
uh for for certain men it can work

1799
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:43,119
especially you know having

1800
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:45,119
uh known you

1801
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:46,400
at least

1802
01:03:51,549 --> 01:03:48,880
you know familiarly for the last

1803
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:51,559
six months that you're kind of a very

1804
01:03:56,069 --> 01:03:53,520
detail-oriented guy

1805
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:56,079
uh like any of your facebook posts is

1806
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:58,480
very lazy whether it's dealing with your

1807
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:00,720
own research or subject matter or the

1808
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:02,880
politics of the day it's always well

1809
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:05,359
thought out well written and you're

1810
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:08,160
concise for anybody to read within

1811
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:09,520
30 seconds

1812
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:10,640
so

1813
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:12,880
there is always that risk i know that uh

1814
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:15,920
researcher david roll recently um

1815
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:17,280
i i talked about it at the beginning of

1816
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:18,960
one one program

1817
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:21,039
uh where there was this one a colleague

1818
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:24,079
of his who does a lot of

1819
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:26,880
biblical type of study and he hadn't

1820
01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:29,200
actually gone out into the field himself

1821
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:31,119
or actually looked at these ancient

1822
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:33,280
documents and scrolls that he was

1823
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:36,160
supposed to be quoting and translating

1824
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:39,280
and uh you know with with scott crichton

1825
01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:42,480
um whom we we both know you know

1826
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:44,799
so when he did his research

1827
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:47,280
on the admiral he actually went to find

1828
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:48,640
the journal to look at the pages

1829
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:49,760
themselves

1830
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:50,559
um

1831
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:52,079
with

1832
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:54,880
the more abstract concepts that you tend

1833
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:56,480
to approach

1834
01:05:00,789 --> 01:04:58,720
it's something that doesn't necessarily

1835
01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:00,799
have to be done firsthand but it can

1836
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:03,760
always help so i can understand your

1837
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:05,920
overall

1838
01:05:09,510 --> 01:05:08,240
apprehension but at the same time yeah i

1839
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:09,520
i don't think there would have been a

1840
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:12,559
problem just from knowing you

1841
01:05:19,349 --> 01:05:14,799
well

1842
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:19,359
my job as a software designer my career

1843
01:05:23,029 --> 01:05:20,960
has been as an independent software

1844
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:23,039
designer for businesses

1845
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:25,280
and as i was getting into it i was the

1846
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:27,280
guy who would get called in

1847
01:05:34,470 --> 01:05:28,480
to

1848
01:05:35,910 --> 01:05:34,480
didn't either couldn't make for

1849
01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:35,920
themselves or didn't want to make for

1850
01:05:39,910 --> 01:05:38,319
themselves but i was expected on the

1851
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:39,920
short term

1852
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:41,520
to learn

1853
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:43,280
enough about their system to be able to

1854
01:05:46,630 --> 01:05:45,280
make this critical change to a critical

1855
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:46,640
program

1856
01:05:49,589 --> 01:05:48,000
and expect that it was going to work

1857
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:49,599
only without the

1858
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:51,200
flexibility of time to learn everything

1859
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:52,960
about their system and so you had to

1860
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:54,480
find ways of knowing things without

1861
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:56,480
knowing it i was joking that i was

1862
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:58,720
expected to know more and more with less

1863
01:06:01,670 --> 01:06:00,720
and less information the day was going

1864
01:06:03,109 --> 01:06:01,680
to come whenever i was going to be

1865
01:06:05,430 --> 01:06:03,119
expected to know everything with no

1866
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:05,440
information and that's sort of where it

1867
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:07,520
went software wise but this is the same

1868
01:06:14,230 --> 01:06:11,119
technique that um i have two rules for

1869
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:14,240
interpretations the first rule is

1870
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:16,319
that it it's got to begin with a clear

1871
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:18,400
state another part of the culture

1872
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:20,799
it can't be the scranton says the

1873
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:22,319
dominant symbols are about science it's

1874
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:24,720
got to be the dog and priests say their

1875
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:26,880
symbols are about science

1876
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:28,480
the second rule is

1877
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:30,720
that by the time i get to the end of the

1878
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:32,559
interpretation i have to be able to

1879
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:34,640
finish a very simple sentence the

1880
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:37,520
sentence is we know this must be true

1881
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:39,039
because

1882
01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:42,000
and then cite one compelling fact that

1883
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:43,599
insists that the thing that i think is

1884
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:45,520
true has to be true

1885
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:47,359
and so that's an approach i've used in

1886
01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:48,720
trying to verify other people's

1887
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:51,440
interpretations in one of my books i was

1888
01:06:55,549 --> 01:06:53,359
exploring about um

1889
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:55,559
the possibility of whether there was a

1890
01:07:01,270 --> 01:06:59,200
360-day year in nature rather than 365.

1891
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:01,280
and so through my friend john anthony

1892
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:03,760
west i pulled a bunch of of

1893
01:07:07,109 --> 01:07:05,920
um authorities on egyptian calendars

1894
01:07:10,630 --> 01:07:07,119
that he knew

1895
01:07:12,870 --> 01:07:10,640
and what i was asking for was one

1896
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:12,880
simple fact that insisted they had to

1897
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:14,880
have a 365

1898
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:16,880
a year in ancient times

1899
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:18,400
and they came back with various sorts of

1900
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:20,480
things for me but in the end everything

1901
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:23,440
they came back with was equivocal

1902
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:25,119
the same argument that was used to say

1903
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:27,760
that they had a 365 day years

1904
01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:29,520
year could be

1905
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:31,599
looked at in a different way and argued

1906
01:07:35,589 --> 01:07:34,000
that they had a 360-day year and so

1907
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:35,599
there was no

1908
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:40,079
factor that insisted that

1909
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:41,359
that's what i'm always trying to get

1910
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:43,039
down to whether it's politics or

1911
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:45,280
anything else in questions of climate

1912
01:07:51,029 --> 01:07:48,799
change i try to rely on things that

1913
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:51,039
don't get filtered through media or

1914
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:52,559
studies

1915
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:54,640
like and one of those things is

1916
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:56,160
comparative pictures of glaciers all

1917
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:57,680
around the planet you can pick any

1918
01:08:02,069 --> 01:07:59,920
glacier on the planet pretty much

1919
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:02,079
and look at how a photograph that any

1920
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:03,599
tourists took

1921
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:06,960
in 1950 and take a picture

1922
01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:10,480
of the same scene that was taken in 2017

1923
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:12,319
or 2016

1924
01:08:16,550 --> 01:08:14,640
and see for yourself what's happened to

1925
01:08:18,149 --> 01:08:16,560
that glacier and you can do this on

1926
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:18,159
every continent of the planet you can do

1927
01:08:21,189 --> 01:08:20,319
it every major mountain range of the

1928
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:21,199
planet

1929
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:23,120
and with very few exceptions you're

1930
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:24,880
seeing that the glaciers have

1931
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:27,359
dramatically melted that can't happen

1932
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:29,920
except with warming and so from the

1933
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:31,920
pictures you know with certainty that

1934
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:33,440
we're dealing with a warming climate

1935
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:35,279
there's none of the hedging of oh did

1936
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:39,120
this study misrepresent that or or um or

1937
01:08:44,950 --> 01:08:41,199
whatever the politics doesn't come into

1938
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:44,960
it and um misinterpretation you know of

1939
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,839
uh

1940
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:48,000
studies and so forth statistical studies

1941
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:50,000
and things like that

1942
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:51,839
bring it down to intuitive comparative

1943
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:53,920
facts and then you get to the bottom of

1944
01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:55,359
the issue

1945
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:58,319
and i i know we we had um uh jerry

1946
01:09:02,070 --> 01:09:00,000
dickens dr jerry dickens from rice

1947
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:02,080
university on and what was supposed to

1948
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:04,560
be a one at one episode you know two

1949
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:06,799
hour presentation uh ended up getting

1950
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:08,239
spread into about a seven hour

1951
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:10,319
two-parter and was all about the carbon

1952
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:12,960
cycle and all about uh you know the old

1953
01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:15,520
the p-e-t-m uh which is the closest

1954
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:17,120
analog to the amount of carbon that's

1955
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:19,920
being released into the atmosphere today

1956
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:22,799
and you know i i went in um

1957
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:24,640
and again not to

1958
01:09:28,390 --> 01:09:26,560
uh you know not to

1959
01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:28,400
put a knock against a randall carlson

1960
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:30,159
for his extensive research in terms of

1961
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:31,759
carbon being a good thing yes it's very

1962
01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:33,600
good for plants

1963
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:35,759
but the understanding and being taken

1964
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:37,279
through the entire carbon cycle and

1965
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:39,120
leaving the politics out of it really

1966
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:40,480
gives you amount of perspective to be

1967
01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:42,400
able to say yeah you know i you know we

1968
01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:44,319
don't know if all the changes are

1969
01:09:48,309 --> 01:09:45,679
man-made or not

1970
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:48,319
but there is some type of environmental

1971
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:50,319
change going and there are so many

1972
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:51,679
factors

1973
01:09:53,829 --> 01:09:52,560
that

1974
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:53,839
you know they're they're trying to take

1975
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:56,400
as many of them into account as possible

1976
01:10:01,030 --> 01:09:57,920
but right

1977
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:01,040
it's like especially with you know

1978
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:03,360
slow gradual change that can happen over

1979
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:05,600
a hundred thousand or you know 500 000

1980
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:07,679
years that same type of change is

1981
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:10,640
happening within our own time period uh

1982
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:12,320
like geologically speaking even even

1983
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:14,800
back to 12 000 years ago you know within

1984
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:15,600
a

1985
01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:26,400
right but

1986
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:27,440
the

1987
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:33,840
should be concerned with

1988
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:36,159
is what are the effects of of a climate

1989
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:38,400
that's too hot on us what are the bad

1990
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:40,239
effects and we can see them back in

1991
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:43,520
1970s they presented us with a long list

1992
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:46,560
of symptoms we would see if the climate

1993
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,440
was warming one of those is you know

1994
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:51,120
more intense and more frequent storms

1995
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:52,320
you know suddenly we're seeing closer

1996
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:54,480
tournaments of single tornadoes and

1997
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:57,199
we're seeing much higher wind speeds for

1998
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:59,520
hurricanes and things like that but the

1999
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:01,199
everything that was on that list we've

2000
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:05,430
which implies that we're dealing with a

2001
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:08,480
warming climate but as far as us

2002
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:10,480
practically goes

2003
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:11,840
we're dealing with the same kind of a

2004
01:11:15,189 --> 01:11:13,120
question as

2005
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:15,199
uh warm season versus a cold season

2006
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:17,440
during the year that on a hot day in

2007
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:18,400
august

2008
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:20,159
if you're in a parking lot and you have

2009
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:23,840
a car with you a dog in your car

2010
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:27,040
you realize the value the essential

2011
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:29,040
value of rolling down a car window so

2012
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:31,360
that dog doesn't roast or taking the dog

2013
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:33,760
with you so he doesn't roast but even if

2014
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:36,000
you do yourself in the car you have the

2015
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:37,520
scent on a hot day even though you're

2016
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:39,120
not causing the heating

2017
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:41,120
humanity is not causing your car to be

2018
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:44,000
hot on that day it just is getting hot

2019
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:46,239
but guess how a person with any common

2020
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:48,400
sense does something about it and that's

2021
01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:49,600
where we're at right now we're in a

2022
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:51,920
climate that's getting warmer do we have

2023
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:54,400
the common sense to do what we can about

2024
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:55,679
it

2025
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:57,280
and that's you know that's one of the

2026
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:59,199
main the main factors that we're kind of

2027
01:12:03,030 --> 01:12:00,800
being faced today i know the united

2028
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:03,040
states has been uh you know at least

2029
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:04,400
your president has recently pulled you

2030
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:05,440
out of the

2031
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:09,840
some people will have one opinion or

2032
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:11,440
another and i know it's going to take a

2033
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:13,199
number of years an interesting thing

2034
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:14,480
about that

2035
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:16,640
is that even if it all everything's been

2036
01:12:20,950 --> 01:12:19,440
you know everything gets uh executed and

2037
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:20,960
the agreement's completely nullified

2038
01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:22,880
after i think it's three years the next

2039
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:24,800
president can then get back into it

2040
01:12:29,189 --> 01:12:27,440
within 30 days

2041
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:29,199
that's good so but i mean even if your

2042
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:31,679
perspective is that this is all a scam

2043
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:34,080
the big business is going to rip us off

2044
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:36,320
to try to pay for these the costs of

2045
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:38,080
these changes

2046
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:40,400
the right answer still isn't what we'll

2047
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:43,199
show them will just roast

2048
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:44,960
you know there's there's got to be

2049
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:46,800
something that can be done about this

2050
01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:48,960
that hedges the

2051
01:12:53,669 --> 01:12:51,440
political side of it well laird you're

2052
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:53,679
from uh albany uh which is a beautiful

2053
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:55,120
part of new york i love driving through

2054
01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:58,239
there uh coming back from new york city

2055
01:13:01,110 --> 01:12:59,360
if you have you ever been to ottawa

2056
01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:01,120
before

2057
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:03,280
ottawa i never have i mean it's not not

2058
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:04,400
very far from

2059
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:06,320
from where we are um albany is really

2060
01:13:10,149 --> 01:13:08,960
nicely situated and and proximity to

2061
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:10,159
canada is one of those things in

2062
01:13:15,189 --> 01:13:12,719
montreal is not that far and and ottawa

2063
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:15,199
is certainly reachable toronto is also a

2064
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:16,960
little you know a little around the lake

2065
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:18,719
but still reachable

2066
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:20,239
well toronto has no i've never been to

2067
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:23,360
ottawa i have spent time in toronto and

2068
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:26,480
in british columbia um and i like canada

2069
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:28,880
actually quite a lot well toronto and

2070
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:30,560
and toronto has the benefit of the lake

2071
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:33,360
effect and montreal has the benefit of

2072
01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:35,440
the at least the currents coming through

2073
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:37,280
the st lawrence river so a lot more

2074
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:38,960
precipitation there but

2075
01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:41,679
nowhere near as cold uh to some people

2076
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:44,080
here in ottawa where i where i'm from

2077
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:47,440
in december it can get to minus 40 minus

2078
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:49,760
45 with wind chill and then we get my

2079
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:52,000
plus 45 in the summertime

2080
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:53,840
but we get snow sometimes for six months

2081
01:13:56,310 --> 01:13:55,199
on end so

2082
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:56,320
i can

2083
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,920
see a lot of people

2084
01:14:02,070 --> 01:13:59,600
who live in certain climates they'll be

2085
01:14:03,910 --> 01:14:02,080
like well you know what's global warming

2086
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:03,920
you know what it's like 10 degrees here

2087
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:05,440
today like what do you mean global

2088
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:06,480
warming it's it's the middle of the

2089
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:08,880
winter time and they don't necessarily

2090
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:10,480
understand that

2091
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:11,920
it's over the long term you see the

2092
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:14,719
changes uh you know if you have but

2093
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:16,800
during the year or during the week you

2094
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:19,040
you'll have more extremes and in weather

2095
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:22,560
and and uh temperature uh but over the

2096
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:24,239
long term it'll essentially look the

2097
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:25,280
same

2098
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:28,080
but you you don't so this is not a

2099
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:29,840
linear it's not a linear process and

2100
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:31,679
that confuses a lot of people that they

2101
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:33,520
don't understand why

2102
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:34,480
how

2103
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:36,960
a warmer climate at the pool can create

2104
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:38,719
can cause more

2105
01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:40,480
moisture to evaporate into the air which

2106
01:14:43,590 --> 01:14:42,320
can cause more snow or more ice short

2107
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:43,600
term

2108
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:46,239
now interesting thing about

2109
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:48,560
climate change i know in northern

2110
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,719
northern scotland it can be not exactly

2111
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:52,560
as balmy as it is here during the summer

2112
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:53,679
time

2113
01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:56,080
although where the dilgon are in mali

2114
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:58,640
which is kind of the they're located you

2115
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:00,560
know almost around like anywhere from

2116
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:03,040
from mali to niger you know into

2117
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:04,320
certain parts of sudan if i'm not

2118
01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:06,239
mistaken

2119
01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:08,480
did you know that you can actually walk

2120
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:10,640
from well

2121
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:12,239
apparently according to google maps you

2122
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:15,679
can walk it would take 1250 hours to

2123
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:17,280
walk from

2124
01:15:22,830 --> 01:15:19,280
uh let's say timbuktu and mali all the

2125
01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:26,550
wow well that's very interesting

2126
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:29,600
my perspective on the on the travel

2127
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:32,480
questions in ancient times is that

2128
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:33,840
if you've got a group of teachers who

2129
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:36,080
are talking about how matter forms

2130
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:37,679
the chances are their biggest problem

2131
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:39,250
isn't how to get around

2132
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:42,880
[Laughter]

2133
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:44,400
you know and that brings up another

2134
01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:47,199
interesting question uh if

2135
01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:49,520
you'll have you'll have the ardents who

2136
01:15:53,910 --> 01:15:52,560
will believe that you can

2137
01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:53,920
you have to keep your mind open when it

2138
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:55,199
comes to a lot of things you know

2139
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:56,159
whether you're dealing with ancient

2140
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:59,120
aliens or what have you or metaphysical

2141
01:16:02,229 --> 01:16:00,960
beings and then you'll get individuals

2142
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:02,239
uh like

2143
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:03,520
like uh

2144
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:06,880
graham hancock who will take more of the

2145
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:10,320
um mind-expanding route as far as trying

2146
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:12,480
to describe or

2147
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:14,800
explain talking to other other worldly

2148
01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:17,120
beings and being taught by them

2149
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:20,159
now is there any uh indication or has is

2150
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:22,480
there any tradition of the dogon using

2151
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:24,719
anything like ayahuasca to

2152
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:33,189
that's another complicated question the

2153
01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:34,960
branch anthropologists claim that the

2154
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:36,719
dogen are

2155
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:39,520
extremely well versed in

2156
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:42,400
the medicinal plants that are in their

2157
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:43,679
region

2158
01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:44,880
so i'm certain if there are

2159
01:16:49,990 --> 01:16:47,040
hallucinogens involved that they know

2160
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:50,000
about them and know how to use them and

2161
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:50,880
have

2162
01:16:54,870 --> 01:16:52,239
explored what they do and what they

2163
01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:56,790
but there's a bigger picture the bigger

2164
01:17:01,910 --> 01:16:59,679
picture rests on the philosophies that

2165
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:01,920
all these later traditions are based on

2166
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:03,600
their

2167
01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:06,480
mindset is

2168
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,080
mentioned about the two universes

2169
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:10,560
non-material material the outlook is

2170
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:12,800
that the non-material universe

2171
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:15,280
has perfect knowledge

2172
01:17:19,590 --> 01:17:18,400
but an inability to act

2173
01:17:21,910 --> 01:17:19,600
and that the

2174
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:21,920
material universe has imperfect

2175
01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:24,400
knowledge with full ability to act

2176
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:25,600
and so

2177
01:17:29,830 --> 01:17:27,440
there are constant attempts being made

2178
01:17:32,310 --> 01:17:29,840
from the non-material side to induce

2179
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:32,320
action on the material side and the way

2180
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:33,760
those happen

2181
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:34,960
is

2182
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:37,199
through vivid dreams

2183
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:38,560
through

2184
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:41,440
what looks like daily coincidences

2185
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:44,320
through the strange behavior of animals

2186
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:47,840
through divination through clairvoyance

2187
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:49,199
through hallucinating

2188
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:51,600
hallucinogenic drugs and and so on there

2189
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:53,280
are a number of paths here

2190
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:54,800
by which

2191
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:56,640
this sort of game of charades is going

2192
01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:58,560
on where

2193
01:18:01,590 --> 01:18:00,719
something is done to try to introduce an

2194
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:01,600
action

2195
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:04,159
and from our perspective as material

2196
01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:06,239
in a material universe

2197
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:08,800
we can either dismiss the coincidence as

2198
01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:10,239
being a coincidence and just go on with

2199
01:18:16,310 --> 01:18:14,560
our daily lives but the people who

2200
01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:16,320
stop and scratch their head and say gee

2201
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:18,320
that's very odd i've had four different

2202
01:18:21,990 --> 01:18:20,560
references and four

2203
01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:22,000
unconnected

2204
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:23,760
circumstances to the same thing in the

2205
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:27,440
last 24 hours what's going on here

2206
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:29,120
the people who learn to pay attention to

2207
01:18:33,350 --> 01:18:31,760
that the people who explore it and try

2208
01:18:35,590 --> 01:18:33,360
to see is there a connection between

2209
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:35,600
those things are the ones who foster

2210
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:37,440
more of it for themselves

2211
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:38,320
and

2212
01:18:42,630 --> 01:18:41,440
anyone i know who gets involved with

2213
01:18:45,669 --> 01:18:42,640
researching

2214
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:45,679
this field of study that i'm in has many

2215
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:47,440
stories to tell of unusual things that

2216
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:49,760
have happened to them i myself sort of

2217
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:51,120
out of out of the box coming out of

2218
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:53,280
college i would have described myself as

2219
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:55,679
being the least

2220
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:58,000
spiritually connected person that i knew

2221
01:19:02,070 --> 01:19:00,000
i had really no

2222
01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:02,080
um reason to think that there were

2223
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:04,400
things going on that i didn't understand

2224
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:05,679
the first thing you learned in this

2225
01:19:08,630 --> 01:19:07,120
field of study is that there are

2226
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:08,640
certainly things going on that we don't

2227
01:19:14,310 --> 01:19:11,600
understand that we can't explain yet

2228
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:14,320
and so a large part of the process is

2229
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:16,080
training yourself to pay attention to

2230
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:18,719
those and allowing yourself to ask the

2231
01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:19,679
question

2232
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:22,080
could there be meaning here in something

2233
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:25,120
that might just be coincidental

2234
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:27,440
okay now i'm i've got a

2235
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:28,960
i have a question actually relating to

2236
01:19:32,229 --> 01:19:30,800
this from the the facebook group and

2237
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:32,239
i've been collecting questions i'm sorry

2238
01:19:37,030 --> 01:19:34,560
everyone out there and unfortunately he

2239
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:37,040
apparently just left the chat a couple

2240
01:19:41,430 --> 01:19:38,320
minutes ago but if he's gonna listen

2241
01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:41,440
back he'll get it uh this one's from uh

2242
01:19:46,470 --> 01:19:43,600
from ajax 1983

2243
01:19:48,550 --> 01:19:46,480
and uh he writes uh larry you explained

2244
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:48,560
in one of your infamously deep facebook

2245
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:50,560
posts the concept of universe matter and

2246
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:51,760
reproduction

2247
01:19:56,709 --> 01:19:54,800
which is a very early concept passed on

2248
01:19:58,709 --> 01:19:56,719
is it plausible in your view that this

2249
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:58,719
concept morphed into the many trinities

2250
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:01,199
found globally such as the sun the

2251
01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:09,110
uh i don't connect trinities to that

2252
01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:11,679
particular concept okay

2253
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:16,790
when

2254
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:18,719
the term cosmology for these ancient

2255
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:19,920
cultures

2256
01:20:24,630 --> 01:20:21,760
when we say cosmology what we're talking

2257
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:24,640
about are processes of creation

2258
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:26,880
and what they're concerned with are

2259
01:20:29,910 --> 01:20:28,800
the processes by which the universe

2260
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:29,920
formed

2261
01:20:34,630 --> 01:20:32,880
the processes by which matter forms

2262
01:20:36,149 --> 01:20:34,640
and the processes of biological

2263
01:20:38,630 --> 01:20:36,159
reproduction

2264
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:38,640
now in the mindset of the dogan

2265
01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:41,360
those three processes are so

2266
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:43,280
fundamentally similar to one another so

2267
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:46,000
fundamentally parallel to each other

2268
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:49,760
that they simultaneously describe all

2269
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:52,400
three processes using a single

2270
01:20:57,189 --> 01:20:54,719
progression of symbols

2271
01:20:59,669 --> 01:20:57,199
this is a demonstration of capability

2272
01:21:01,990 --> 01:20:59,679
whoever put this system together was

2273
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:02,000
showing off

2274
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:04,159
they were saying look

2275
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:06,080
i mean part of what's going on with the

2276
01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:07,920
symbolic system is establishing

2277
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:09,760
credibility because

2278
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:12,000
the system talks about things that we as

2279
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:13,600
modern

2280
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:15,120
technological people have have the

2281
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:17,679
ability to verify but it also talks

2282
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:19,840
about a whole set of deeper things that

2283
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:22,480
we're not yet in a position to verify

2284
01:21:27,189 --> 01:21:25,679
and how if you were if you had

2285
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:27,199
somebody that you were trying to educate

2286
01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:29,440
and you knew that a a certain percentage

2287
01:21:32,709 --> 01:21:30,880
of what you had to tell them was going

2288
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:32,719
to be sound completely ridiculous to

2289
01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:34,800
them but you desperately needed them to

2290
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:37,040
take it seriously how would you get them

2291
01:21:39,669 --> 01:21:38,080
to do that

2292
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:39,679
well it looks to me like what happened

2293
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:40,800
here was

2294
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:43,600
they took the most complex progression

2295
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:46,239
they could think of that we could verify

2296
01:21:49,669 --> 01:21:48,000
potentially verify which is the

2297
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:49,679
structure of manner

2298
01:21:54,470 --> 01:21:52,560
and they laid it out in scientific terms

2299
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:54,480
with drawings and descriptions and

2300
01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:56,880
symbols to represent it that someone

2301
01:22:02,149 --> 01:21:59,280
like me could sit down and

2302
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:02,159
read from adam down to waves from waves

2303
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:05,199
up to adam and c verify for to my own

2304
01:22:09,030 --> 01:22:07,040
satisfaction that they're talking about

2305
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:09,040
actual science here they got all of it

2306
01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:10,560
right now

2307
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:12,320
being able to do that establishes

2308
01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:13,840
credibility that they know what they're

2309
01:22:18,790 --> 01:22:15,280
talking about

2310
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:18,800
now they go on and i notice that hey

2311
01:22:22,149 --> 01:22:20,480
there there's this whole range of things

2312
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:22,159
they're talking about that stephen

2313
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:24,960
hawking never gets into and brian green

2314
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:27,520
never gets into but it looks reasonable

2315
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:29,040
it looks as reasonable as the rest of

2316
01:22:32,550 --> 01:22:31,120
stuff what are the chances that they do

2317
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:32,560
know what they're talking about at this

2318
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:34,880
deeper level and what basis do i have

2319
01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:35,920
for believing that they know what

2320
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:37,679
they're talking about at this deeper

2321
01:22:39,669 --> 01:22:38,400
level

2322
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:39,679
and that whole

2323
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:41,280
range of symbols that describe the

2324
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:43,760
stages of of creation for those three

2325
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:46,159
themes is a demonstration of that and

2326
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:48,400
especially being able to describe all

2327
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:51,360
three simultaneously as i said is

2328
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:53,120
on one level it's showing off it's

2329
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:55,280
saying here's a clear demonstration of

2330
01:23:01,030 --> 01:22:59,120
just exactly how capable we are

2331
01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:01,040
whoever put the system together well in

2332
01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:03,920
for instance um

2333
01:23:07,270 --> 01:23:05,360
i i didn't actually get back around to

2334
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:07,280
anthony question about trinity when it

2335
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:09,760
comes to the question of eternity there

2336
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:11,040
are

2337
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:13,120
that relates more to me to buddhist

2338
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:16,560
concepts of what's called ascension

2339
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:17,840
um

2340
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:19,120
ascension

2341
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:21,040
is

2342
01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:22,400
the idea

2343
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:24,320
again this has parallelism to it we have

2344
01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:27,440
ascension in an individual which is

2345
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:28,960
trying to become more spiritual trying

2346
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:30,880
to to reach spiritual enlightenment

2347
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:32,000
let's say

2348
01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:35,360
but you also have this process of the

2349
01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:37,280
progression of matter from waves to atom

2350
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:40,480
is considered ascension and um

2351
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:42,400
there are processes in the macrocosm

2352
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:44,239
that are considered to be essential yes

2353
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:45,600
ascension

2354
01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:48,480
now um

2355
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:50,639
the idea is that at certain points in

2356
01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:51,920
the universe

2357
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:53,600
there are connections between the

2358
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:56,000
non-material and the material that there

2359
01:23:59,350 --> 01:23:58,159
is a flow of energy between these two

2360
01:24:02,390 --> 01:23:59,360
universes

2361
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:02,400
that as essential to life

2362
01:24:06,310 --> 01:24:04,800
as the natural water cycle which is the

2363
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:06,320
flow of water you know evaporating from

2364
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:08,960
the oceans forming clouds rising up over

2365
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:10,480
the mountains and raining and then the

2366
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:12,560
water flowing back to the sea there's a

2367
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:14,719
cycle like that going on with energy

2368
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:16,960
according to the dogon between these two

2369
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:19,760
universes and at the points the points

2370
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:21,840
of crossover between these universes are

2371
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:23,840
considered to be gateways there are

2372
01:24:28,629 --> 01:24:25,679
potential gateways there

2373
01:24:31,030 --> 01:24:28,639
and concepts of ascension and buddhism

2374
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:31,040
provide us with a series of metaphors

2375
01:24:36,149 --> 01:24:33,600
for how to locate one of those gateways

2376
01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:36,159
and those concepts are expressed in

2377
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:37,679
terms of

2378
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:39,679
three deities

2379
01:24:43,669 --> 01:24:41,440
and at the same time

2380
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:43,679
expressed in terms of three

2381
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:45,840
astronomic structures

2382
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:48,000
now what's interesting is that the

2383
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:49,920
ancient term for gobekli tapping the

2384
01:24:54,790 --> 01:24:52,000
ancient egyptian term for the region

2385
01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:54,800
that go back to temple was found in

2386
01:24:58,709 --> 01:24:56,560
rests on an egyptian word that's

2387
01:25:00,550 --> 01:24:58,719
expressed in terms of

2388
01:25:02,310 --> 01:25:00,560
three names of deities

2389
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:02,320
that also represent

2390
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:04,960
three astronomical bodies

2391
01:25:08,229 --> 01:25:06,560
that's one of the

2392
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:08,239
points of connection between the gobekli

2393
01:25:14,229 --> 01:25:11,440
tepe symbolism and the later traditions

2394
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:14,239
that we're studying there were other um

2395
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:16,000
what looked like sanctuary names are

2396
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:18,800
archaic words in egypt that look they're

2397
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:20,400
formulated in a way that looks like a

2398
01:25:23,510 --> 01:25:22,000
sanctuary name they have certain

2399
01:25:25,270 --> 01:25:23,520
characteristics and they're all

2400
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:25,280
expressed in terms of

2401
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:27,040
three deities

2402
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:29,120
what's interesting is the deities almost

2403
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:30,880
always cross the boundaries of different

2404
01:25:36,070 --> 01:25:33,120
cultures disease like you'll have yah

2405
01:25:38,830 --> 01:25:36,080
mixed up you know from judaism mixed up

2406
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:42,390
um let's say asked which represents isis

2407
01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:44,000
in egypt

2408
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:46,159
um you'll have crossover in the the

2409
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:48,400
names of these deities some survived in

2410
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:50,000
subcultures some didn't

2411
01:25:52,870 --> 01:25:50,800
it's

2412
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:52,880
the stages that relate to that ascension

2413
01:25:57,270 --> 01:25:55,040
process these three

2414
01:26:00,310 --> 01:25:57,280
deities and these three

2415
01:26:02,229 --> 01:26:00,320
astronomic bodies that eventually

2416
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:02,239
work their way down to become concepts

2417
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:09,669
i'm trying to be able to think of a

2418
01:26:12,229 --> 01:26:10,800
follow-up question from that but you

2419
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:12,239
pretty much answered that right off the

2420
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:14,480
bat for me um

2421
01:26:19,270 --> 01:26:16,960
what what what's the

2422
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:19,280
what would be the big reason to show

2423
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:21,040
three trip like actually here's a good

2424
01:26:25,110 --> 01:26:23,280
one uh the idea of a trinity with three

2425
01:26:27,110 --> 01:26:25,120
deities what

2426
01:26:29,669 --> 01:26:27,120
overall was was it uh

2427
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:29,679
the reason to show absol uh absolute

2428
01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:31,440
significance or to get people to pay

2429
01:26:36,790 --> 01:26:33,920
attention or was it just

2430
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:36,800
uh an ability for people to kind of

2431
01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:37,679
uh

2432
01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:39,520
better recognize or better be able to

2433
01:26:48,790 --> 01:26:46,790
there

2434
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:48,800
we talk about um

2435
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:51,360
matter forming

2436
01:26:57,669 --> 01:26:54,800
there are three distinct distinct um

2437
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:57,679
realms or worlds of matter

2438
01:27:00,629 --> 01:26:59,120
um matter

2439
01:27:01,510 --> 01:27:00,639
as waves

2440
01:27:03,350 --> 01:27:01,520
matter

2441
01:27:05,189 --> 01:27:03,360
that gets then get gets reorganized to

2442
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:05,199
produce something called a caliber space

2443
01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:08,480
in in string theory it's a spiral

2444
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:10,239
and then this process is upward from

2445
01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:12,800
that spiral to form uh more familiar

2446
01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:14,320
particles like protons electrons

2447
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:20,470
three different worlds of of matter in

2448
01:27:22,470 --> 01:27:21,440
egypt

2449
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:22,480
um

2450
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:24,239
uh let's see

2451
01:27:29,430 --> 01:27:26,560
um

2452
01:27:34,550 --> 01:27:32,709
uh a anubis is the god of the second

2453
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:34,560
world of matter that corresponds to the

2454
01:27:37,830 --> 01:27:36,320
second world in egypt was referred to as

2455
01:27:39,590 --> 01:27:37,840
the underworld

2456
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:39,600
um kepper

2457
01:27:47,270 --> 01:27:42,719
the the insect was the god that um

2458
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:48,229
so

2459
01:27:52,149 --> 01:27:50,480
i think that there's symbolic connection

2460
01:27:54,470 --> 01:27:52,159
to the three worlds of matter trying to

2461
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:54,480
maintain a parallelism

2462
01:27:58,149 --> 01:27:56,239
of expression with that

2463
01:28:01,750 --> 01:27:58,159
those those general groupings

2464
01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:01,760
of things um beyond that

2465
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:02,960
the

2466
01:28:06,629 --> 01:28:04,320
um

2467
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:06,639
the three astronomic bodies that connect

2468
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:07,679
to

2469
01:28:12,629 --> 01:28:10,239
those sanctuary names um

2470
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:12,639
have significance in terms of these

2471
01:28:17,030 --> 01:28:15,360
processes that i say science isn't

2472
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:17,040
talking about

2473
01:28:19,669 --> 01:28:18,800
that

2474
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:19,679
um

2475
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:21,280
one of the things that parallel

2476
01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:23,840
parallelism lets us do is you know

2477
01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:25,440
there's certain things we can see above

2478
01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:26,159
us

2479
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:28,960
in the constellations and then the stars

2480
01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:30,400
now if we know that the things we're

2481
01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:32,000
looking at

2482
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:34,239
in the macrocosm

2483
01:28:39,910 --> 01:28:35,920
have parallelism with things that are in

2484
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:39,920
the microcosm as above so below

2485
01:28:43,510 --> 01:28:41,040
then

2486
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:43,520
when we're imagining what goes on with

2487
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:45,280
certain structures that we can't view in

2488
01:28:49,590 --> 01:28:47,520
the microcosms because they're too small

2489
01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:49,600
we can infer from what we see in the

2490
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:52,000
macrocosm of what that must be

2491
01:28:57,350 --> 01:28:54,400
and vice versa there are processes we

2492
01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:57,360
can we can observe in the microcosm that

2493
01:29:00,629 --> 01:28:59,199
relate to things that are so large we

2494
01:29:03,270 --> 01:29:00,639
can't

2495
01:29:05,430 --> 01:29:03,280
perceive them in the macrocosm like

2496
01:29:07,910 --> 01:29:05,440
what's outside of a universe the dog

2497
01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:07,920
could talk about that

2498
01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:10,080
what preceded the big bang the dog and

2499
01:29:14,310 --> 01:29:11,920
talk about that

2500
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:14,320
how is it that a wave

2501
01:29:19,110 --> 01:29:16,719
how is it that an act of perception

2502
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:19,120
causes a wave to turn into a particle

2503
01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:20,560
you know stephen hawking doesn't talk

2504
01:29:24,310 --> 01:29:22,960
about that

2505
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:24,320
even at that point i don't think they

2506
01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:25,760
necessarily have an explanation it's

2507
01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:27,440
just kind of one of those it's like oh

2508
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:30,320
well it happens so it is but there's no

2509
01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:32,400
like whether people have have attempted

2510
01:29:34,629 --> 01:29:33,760
to or not

2511
01:29:36,229 --> 01:29:34,639
and

2512
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:36,239
this is one of the more

2513
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:37,600
interesting things when you start at

2514
01:29:41,910 --> 01:29:38,880
least when i started to get into more of

2515
01:29:44,709 --> 01:29:41,920
the the metaphysical teachings um

2516
01:29:47,350 --> 01:29:44,719
where it's like the the ancients knew

2517
01:29:49,189 --> 01:29:47,360
the mechanics behind it but they may not

2518
01:29:51,430 --> 01:29:49,199
necessarily have been able to

2519
01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:51,440
witness it firsthand or you know if they

2520
01:29:54,870 --> 01:29:53,120
they may have been able to depending on

2521
01:29:56,229 --> 01:29:54,880
which researcher you talk to

2522
01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:56,239
um

2523
01:29:59,350 --> 01:29:57,280
i i'm

2524
01:30:01,110 --> 01:29:59,360
have always been

2525
01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:01,120
at least kind of more skeptical with

2526
01:30:05,830 --> 01:30:03,600
regards to some of the the wilder claims

2527
01:30:07,350 --> 01:30:05,840
by some researchers with regards to

2528
01:30:09,030 --> 01:30:07,360
portals or

2529
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:09,040
gateways i'm not saying it's not

2530
01:30:14,149 --> 01:30:11,600
possible but if

2531
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:14,159
these types of

2532
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:15,360
gateways

2533
01:30:17,350 --> 01:30:16,320
were

2534
01:30:20,310 --> 01:30:17,360
present

2535
01:30:21,430 --> 01:30:20,320
you know and speaking that um you know

2536
01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:21,440
the dogon

2537
01:30:25,030 --> 01:30:23,440
had claimed that their

2538
01:30:27,510 --> 01:30:25,040
teachers had been not of this world but

2539
01:30:29,189 --> 01:30:27,520
not necessarily actually let's say alien

2540
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:29,199
they could have been as i said from the

2541
01:30:32,470 --> 01:30:30,000
other

2542
01:30:35,030 --> 01:30:32,480
uh

2543
01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:35,040
right what like was there any indication

2544
01:30:38,870 --> 01:30:37,840
as to their location throughout time has

2545
01:30:41,750 --> 01:30:38,880
there been

2546
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:41,760
um any research that you found that has

2547
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:43,440
pointed towards

2548
01:30:46,950 --> 01:30:44,639
um

2549
01:30:49,270 --> 01:30:46,960
you know actual areas where these has

2550
01:30:51,910 --> 01:30:49,280
have appeared

2551
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:51,920
or been used yes

2552
01:30:55,270 --> 01:30:53,600
the material gets down to the point

2553
01:30:56,950 --> 01:30:55,280
where it makes

2554
01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:56,960
clear very

2555
01:31:03,590 --> 01:31:00,000
very clear statements about

2556
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:03,600
how and by what processes

2557
01:31:07,189 --> 01:31:05,280
things that are non-material can become

2558
01:31:09,110 --> 01:31:07,199
material can manifest themselves in the

2559
01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:09,120
material universe

2560
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:11,440
and the things that the dogans say can

2561
01:31:15,430 --> 01:31:13,760
be confirmed in some of these comparable

2562
01:31:18,149 --> 01:31:15,440
traditions that i've studied

2563
01:31:20,870 --> 01:31:18,159
that you can go

2564
01:31:22,870 --> 01:31:20,880
to say buddhism or to kabbalism or to

2565
01:31:24,870 --> 01:31:22,880
one of the other traditions

2566
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:24,880
and validate each of the points the

2567
01:31:29,030 --> 01:31:26,560
dogan are saying because this other

2568
01:31:30,229 --> 01:31:29,040
tradition sees it exactly the same way

2569
01:31:31,990 --> 01:31:30,239
and it might not have been clear what

2570
01:31:34,149 --> 01:31:32,000
the other tradition was talking about

2571
01:31:36,229 --> 01:31:34,159
until you read the dogan description

2572
01:31:37,990 --> 01:31:36,239
but now that you are making the

2573
01:31:40,390 --> 01:31:38,000
comparison you realize it's right on the

2574
01:31:41,830 --> 01:31:40,400
money it's exactly what what they say it

2575
01:31:43,350 --> 01:31:41,840
is

2576
01:31:45,430 --> 01:31:43,360
um

2577
01:31:48,229 --> 01:31:45,440
so the idea about gateways between the

2578
01:31:50,149 --> 01:31:48,239
universes if you accept the idea that

2579
01:31:52,070 --> 01:31:50,159
there could be a flow of energy between

2580
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:52,080
the universes then there's got to be a

2581
01:31:55,350 --> 01:31:53,679
mechanism for that energy to flow

2582
01:31:56,709 --> 01:31:55,360
between universes

2583
01:31:58,390 --> 01:31:56,719
and so

2584
01:32:01,830 --> 01:31:58,400
from from the outset

2585
01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:03,830
my having accepted the first concept

2586
01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:05,440
implied that i had to accept the second

2587
01:32:10,470 --> 01:32:08,880
one it's like uh because okay with when

2588
01:32:13,510 --> 01:32:10,480
i compare the buddhists and the the

2589
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:13,520
dogan systems that are both ancient and

2590
01:32:17,350 --> 01:32:15,120
i realize that both cultures

2591
01:32:19,430 --> 01:32:17,360
independently in different languages

2592
01:32:20,950 --> 01:32:19,440
seem to have sustained all of the

2593
01:32:22,950 --> 01:32:20,960
critical details of this symbolic

2594
01:32:26,550 --> 01:32:22,960
tradition from

2595
01:32:28,550 --> 01:32:26,560
as science from atoms down to waves they

2596
01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:28,560
verify each other they cross verify each

2597
01:32:32,229 --> 01:32:29,280
other

2598
01:32:35,110 --> 01:32:32,239
now when one of them buddhism says that

2599
01:32:38,310 --> 01:32:35,120
they got the the most essential symbols

2600
01:32:39,910 --> 01:32:38,320
here from a non-human source

2601
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:39,920
and the dogans say they got it from a

2602
01:32:44,070 --> 01:32:42,400
non-human source that was non-material

2603
01:32:46,070 --> 01:32:44,080
that puts a researcher like me in an

2604
01:32:48,629 --> 01:32:46,080
opposition because they're really only

2605
01:32:51,110 --> 01:32:48,639
two ways i can go on that

2606
01:32:53,430 --> 01:32:51,120
i can take the stance that

2607
01:32:55,990 --> 01:32:53,440
well both cultures manage to keep all

2608
01:32:57,430 --> 01:32:56,000
these other intimate details straight

2609
01:32:58,790 --> 01:32:57,440
but when they got down to the heart of

2610
01:33:01,350 --> 01:32:58,800
it the heart of the matter where we get

2611
01:33:03,669 --> 01:33:01,360
this from they both somehow

2612
01:33:08,070 --> 01:33:03,679
misremembered who they got it from

2613
01:33:10,550 --> 01:33:08,080
and misremembered it in matching ways

2614
01:33:12,550 --> 01:33:10,560
the other possibility is

2615
01:33:14,629 --> 01:33:12,560
that they kept all of those long details

2616
01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:14,639
straight and they kept that final detail

2617
01:33:17,030 --> 01:33:15,600
straight

2618
01:33:19,110 --> 01:33:17,040
that's the argument i made to graham

2619
01:33:20,950 --> 01:33:19,120
hancock for why you have to accept the

2620
01:33:23,830 --> 01:33:20,960
possibility at least allow the

2621
01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:23,840
possibility of a non-human influence

2622
01:33:28,390 --> 01:33:25,760
because it doesn't make sense to

2623
01:33:30,950 --> 01:33:28,400
interpret those parallels any other way

2624
01:33:32,550 --> 01:33:30,960
the parallels force it if you accept

2625
01:33:34,629 --> 01:33:32,560
that the two systems are parallel to

2626
01:33:35,750 --> 01:33:34,639
each other you have to accept the

2627
01:33:37,590 --> 01:33:35,760
statement

2628
01:33:39,990 --> 01:33:37,600
that there may have been

2629
01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:40,000
uh non-human influence

2630
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:42,000
and this is also interesting and i'm

2631
01:33:45,510 --> 01:33:43,760
going to reference one of your your your

2632
01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:45,520
facebook posts on this one

2633
01:33:48,310 --> 01:33:46,480
um

2634
01:33:50,550 --> 01:33:48,320
it's with regards to the interpretation

2635
01:33:52,390 --> 01:33:50,560
of the ancient egyptian word for dream

2636
01:33:54,550 --> 01:33:52,400
which rests on the understanding that

2637
01:33:56,870 --> 01:33:54,560
the feather glyph represents the concept

2638
01:33:58,550 --> 01:33:56,880
of truth the square glyph represents the

2639
01:34:01,189 --> 01:33:58,560
concept of space

2640
01:34:02,950 --> 01:34:01,199
and uh so comes to be a symbol for the

2641
01:34:04,709 --> 01:34:02,960
material universe

2642
01:34:06,790 --> 01:34:04,719
and the figure of an x meaning to

2643
01:34:08,950 --> 01:34:06,800
correctly reckon so essentially that

2644
01:34:10,870 --> 01:34:08,960
would mean truth descends for material

2645
01:34:13,990 --> 01:34:10,880
reckoning which

2646
01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:14,000
at least to me could mean

2647
01:34:16,709 --> 01:34:15,120
well

2648
01:34:18,629 --> 01:34:16,719
if if we're talking

2649
01:34:20,629 --> 01:34:18,639
you know trying to interpret the word

2650
01:34:22,390 --> 01:34:20,639
dream from our perspective using a

2651
01:34:23,110 --> 01:34:22,400
literal language to what they could mean

2652
01:34:25,750 --> 01:34:23,120
for

2653
01:34:26,709 --> 01:34:25,760
reckoning

2654
01:34:28,950 --> 01:34:26,719
uh

2655
01:34:30,470 --> 01:34:28,960
where you know it's an idea that okay if

2656
01:34:31,990 --> 01:34:30,480
is that are they getting it while they

2657
01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:32,000
sleep is it happening while they're

2658
01:34:36,550 --> 01:34:33,600
awake is there

2659
01:34:38,149 --> 01:34:36,560
some type of like is it physical

2660
01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:38,159
movement through

2661
01:34:42,070 --> 01:34:40,560
you know some type of

2662
01:34:44,550 --> 01:34:42,080
some type of portal as you'd mentioned

2663
01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:44,560
to that dimension or vice versa

2664
01:34:49,750 --> 01:34:45,280
so

2665
01:34:51,990 --> 01:34:49,760
go into kabbalism um

2666
01:34:54,870 --> 01:34:52,000
there are definitions of different

2667
01:34:57,350 --> 01:34:54,880
um categories of mystics they describe

2668
01:34:59,350 --> 01:34:57,360
the mass and they discuss they assign a

2669
01:35:02,709 --> 01:34:59,360
term to a category of mystics and

2670
01:35:07,030 --> 01:35:02,719
describe how that group of people

2671
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:08,070
and

2672
01:35:11,669 --> 01:35:10,480
it's as the archaic philosophy is

2673
01:35:13,750 --> 01:35:11,679
telling us

2674
01:35:15,590 --> 01:35:13,760
that it comes to different people in

2675
01:35:17,110 --> 01:35:15,600
different ways uh

2676
01:35:18,550 --> 01:35:17,120
depending on their

2677
01:35:21,110 --> 01:35:18,560
their own personal

2678
01:35:23,110 --> 01:35:21,120
capabilities to receive it and depending

2679
01:35:26,310 --> 01:35:23,120
on their willingness to receive it

2680
01:35:28,870 --> 01:35:26,320
because if you have yourself convinced

2681
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:28,880
that it can't be true

2682
01:35:32,229 --> 01:35:30,400
then

2683
01:35:35,510 --> 01:35:32,239
you pretty much prevent yourself from

2684
01:35:38,070 --> 01:35:35,520
becoming a receptor for it um

2685
01:35:40,149 --> 01:35:38,080
one of the comparisons i make about this

2686
01:35:42,709 --> 01:35:40,159
non-material universe that we can't see

2687
01:35:45,189 --> 01:35:42,719
the idea is that non-materials could see

2688
01:35:47,430 --> 01:35:45,199
us but we can't see them that's what

2689
01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:47,440
dogan masks are about

2690
01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:50,800
symbolizing the idea of of somebody in

2691
01:35:53,590 --> 01:35:52,320
our midst being able to actually watch

2692
01:35:55,030 --> 01:35:53,600
and see us

2693
01:35:57,750 --> 01:35:55,040
but without us being aware of the fact

2694
01:35:59,990 --> 01:35:57,760
they're there i compare it to

2695
01:36:01,750 --> 01:36:00,000
the first time driver who gets in the

2696
01:36:04,310 --> 01:36:01,760
car for instruction on how to drive a

2697
01:36:06,310 --> 01:36:04,320
car and doesn't realize

2698
01:36:07,590 --> 01:36:06,320
that the mirrors of the car create a

2699
01:36:09,430 --> 01:36:07,600
blind spot

2700
01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:09,440
they start out with a mistaken

2701
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:11,440
impression that when they look in their

2702
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:12,800
those mirrors they can see everything

2703
01:36:16,070 --> 01:36:14,400
around them and they're perfectly they

2704
01:36:17,430 --> 01:36:16,080
can make their judgment based on a

2705
01:36:18,470 --> 01:36:17,440
complete picture of what's happening

2706
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:18,480
around them

2707
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:20,400
but the truth of the matter is

2708
01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:22,800
that there's a blind spot created by the

2709
01:36:26,550 --> 01:36:24,800
mirrors that's large enough that if you

2710
01:36:28,870 --> 01:36:26,560
have a tractor-trailer position right

2711
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:28,880
you can't see it

2712
01:36:32,950 --> 01:36:31,040
and that's the way these

2713
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:32,960
universes

2714
01:36:37,830 --> 01:36:34,560
play out with each other that from the

2715
01:36:39,990 --> 01:36:37,840
material side the non-material side sits

2716
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:40,000
in a place that's essentially our blind

2717
01:36:45,669 --> 01:36:44,070
and now

2718
01:36:47,910 --> 01:36:45,679
there are ways of demonstrating that

2719
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:47,920
blind spot actually exists a very simple

2720
01:36:51,750 --> 01:36:50,400
way actually

2721
01:36:53,270 --> 01:36:51,760
in science

2722
01:36:55,109 --> 01:36:53,280
when they get down below electrons

2723
01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:55,119
protons and neutrons

2724
01:36:57,510 --> 01:36:56,320
um

2725
01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:57,520
there are

2726
01:37:01,109 --> 01:36:59,040
a set of what are called fundamental

2727
01:37:03,350 --> 01:37:01,119
particles these are particles that

2728
01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:03,360
combine to form other kinds of particles

2729
01:37:05,990 --> 01:37:04,400
there are us

2730
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:06,000
stephen hawking says there are more than

2731
01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:07,360
200 of them

2732
01:37:12,870 --> 01:37:10,960
the dungeons say there are 266 of them

2733
01:37:15,910 --> 01:37:12,880
but both groups categorize them the same

2734
01:37:17,430 --> 01:37:15,920
way they categorize them based on

2735
01:37:19,510 --> 01:37:17,440
the symmetry of the particle what it

2736
01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:19,520
looks like from different angles

2737
01:37:22,390 --> 01:37:20,400
and so

2738
01:37:24,229 --> 01:37:22,400
one group of particles

2739
01:37:26,070 --> 01:37:24,239
is is like a circle it looks the same

2740
01:37:28,950 --> 01:37:26,080
from all sides

2741
01:37:31,030 --> 01:37:28,960
another group of particles is like

2742
01:37:32,790 --> 01:37:31,040
a double-headed arrow that you have to

2743
01:37:35,830 --> 01:37:32,800
turn halfway around to make it look the

2744
01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:35,840
same another is like a single pointed

2745
01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:37,199
arrow that you have to turn all the way

2746
01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:39,360
around to look the same

2747
01:37:43,990 --> 01:37:40,800
but there's a fourth category of

2748
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:44,000
particle called half spin particles that

2749
01:37:47,669 --> 01:37:45,520
actually have to be turned around twice

2750
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:47,679
to look the same

2751
01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:49,280
now

2752
01:37:53,189 --> 01:37:51,040
that goes against our intuition we

2753
01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:53,199
shouldn't have to turn any object no

2754
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:56,000
matter how it's shaped around twice to

2755
01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:57,360
get it to look the same turning around

2756
01:38:03,189 --> 01:37:59,760
one should do it

2757
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:03,199
but the suggestion is that perhaps that

2758
01:38:07,270 --> 01:38:04,560
kind of particle

2759
01:38:10,149 --> 01:38:07,280
passes into and out of

2760
01:38:11,590 --> 01:38:10,159
a space that we don't perceive

2761
01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:11,600
and so when you turn it around once

2762
01:38:18,790 --> 01:38:16,550
flip the part you couldn't see out and

2763
01:38:20,149 --> 01:38:18,800
the part that you could see in and now

2764
01:38:21,830 --> 01:38:20,159
it still doesn't look the same you flip

2765
01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:21,840
it one more time and it goes back around

2766
01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:26,870
so that's one of the

2767
01:38:31,669 --> 01:38:29,040
one of the

2768
01:38:33,270 --> 01:38:31,679
functions of science

2769
01:38:38,310 --> 01:38:33,280
that

2770
01:38:40,629 --> 01:38:38,320
perceiving a blunt spine

2771
01:38:42,709 --> 01:38:40,639
and for me scientist is the equivalent

2772
01:38:43,750 --> 01:38:42,719
of the guy who gets into the car

2773
01:38:46,229 --> 01:38:43,760
and

2774
01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:46,239
decides when he gets in that from now on

2775
01:38:49,669 --> 01:38:47,840
the only things he's going to accept is

2776
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:49,679
real are the things he can see in those

2777
01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:50,880
mirrors and out the windshield of the

2778
01:38:54,229 --> 01:38:51,920
car

2779
01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:54,239
and when he does that he automatically

2780
01:38:57,910 --> 01:38:55,679
filters out this whole other set of

2781
01:38:59,830 --> 01:38:57,920
things that are just as real and the

2782
01:39:03,189 --> 01:38:59,840
tractor trailer can kill you just as

2783
01:39:04,070 --> 01:39:03,199
much as an abutment in front of your car

2784
01:39:05,750 --> 01:39:04,080
but

2785
01:39:09,430 --> 01:39:05,760
science doesn't allow for the real

2786
01:39:16,229 --> 01:39:10,830
or if it

2787
01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:16,239
haven't reached a point of understanding

2788
01:39:20,310 --> 01:39:18,480
uh or right and that that's what i think

2789
01:39:22,229 --> 01:39:20,320
the truth is is that this is there's

2790
01:39:24,470 --> 01:39:22,239
nothing really mystical about this we

2791
01:39:28,149 --> 01:39:24,480
just don't understand how it works but

2792
01:39:29,990 --> 01:39:28,159
what religion has done and what um like

2793
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:30,000
paranormal studies have done and so

2794
01:39:34,149 --> 01:39:32,400
forth have imagined that these things

2795
01:39:35,270 --> 01:39:34,159
that are perfectly real

2796
01:39:38,070 --> 01:39:35,280
but

2797
01:39:40,229 --> 01:39:38,080
not directly purifiable by us

2798
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:40,239
are in some way more mystical than the

2799
01:39:45,430 --> 01:39:42,719
things that are real to us

2800
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:45,440
well take um uh and i i use this example

2801
01:39:49,189 --> 01:39:47,760
with uh a brother of mine and i was

2802
01:39:51,189 --> 01:39:49,199
helping with the website problem and he

2803
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:51,199
said it you know i i fixed the problem a

2804
01:39:55,510 --> 01:39:53,760
lot quicker he'd tried for 15 hours to

2805
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:55,520
be able to do it apparently and he

2806
01:39:58,310 --> 01:39:56,960
looked you know he sent me an email back

2807
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,320
and said it's like chris it's like man

2808
01:40:02,550 --> 01:40:00,400
you're a god among men i'm like like no

2809
01:40:04,950 --> 01:40:02,560
i'm i'm just that you know that uh

2810
01:40:06,550 --> 01:40:04,960
explorer who uh came across some people

2811
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:06,560
in the amazon who haven't met anybody

2812
01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:08,400
from our people yet with like a zippo

2813
01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:09,360
lighter

2814
01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:11,920
and you know i'm creating fire

2815
01:40:15,910 --> 01:40:14,320
but you know it's a very simple process

2816
01:40:17,830 --> 01:40:15,920
but because it's coming out of a box or

2817
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:17,840
because that that you know something

2818
01:40:22,149 --> 01:40:19,920
that they would deem as

2819
01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:22,159
as difficult to be able to produce or

2820
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:24,480
you know spiritual or or metaphysical in

2821
01:40:26,870 --> 01:40:25,920
nature

2822
01:40:28,870 --> 01:40:26,880
um

2823
01:40:30,790 --> 01:40:28,880
you know coming out of just this little

2824
01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:30,800
silver shiny thing

2825
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:32,480
you know they may understand the the

2826
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:34,320
process to be able to make it and there

2827
01:40:39,510 --> 01:40:37,360
may be some um deeper understanding of

2828
01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:39,520
what that fire can actually actually

2829
01:40:43,350 --> 01:40:40,960
achieve we just see it as the

2830
01:40:46,070 --> 01:40:43,360
possibility of of lighting a cigarette

2831
01:40:47,350 --> 01:40:46,080
uh so that you know that connection

2832
01:40:49,510 --> 01:40:47,360
between the

2833
01:40:52,310 --> 01:40:49,520
uh you know between that spiritual side

2834
01:40:54,149 --> 01:40:52,320
and that more literal side

2835
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:54,159
at least yeah like even i know and can

2836
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:56,719
say that it's been lost um

2837
01:41:00,950 --> 01:40:58,960
researchers like ross hamilton

2838
01:41:02,470 --> 01:41:00,960
will have at least have said that okay

2839
01:41:05,030 --> 01:41:02,480
well now is actually the time when we're

2840
01:41:06,709 --> 01:41:05,040
getting back into a spiritual time and

2841
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:06,719
it's actually instead of being in the

2842
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:08,960
east it's coming to north america

2843
01:41:10,870 --> 01:41:10,080
um

2844
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:10,880
so

2845
01:41:13,590 --> 01:41:12,239
i have a little bit of hope for the

2846
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:13,600
future that we're going to look beyond

2847
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:15,360
just the material world

2848
01:41:18,629 --> 01:41:16,639
and now

2849
01:41:21,109 --> 01:41:18,639
between uh and this is coming from from

2850
01:41:22,629 --> 01:41:21,119
kevin stevens who actually took tomorrow

2851
01:41:24,470 --> 01:41:22,639
off to listen to the show

2852
01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:24,480
um all the way from all the way from

2853
01:41:28,070 --> 01:41:26,800
england the first denizen to to skip

2854
01:41:29,350 --> 01:41:28,080
well to

2855
01:41:31,990 --> 01:41:29,360
skip work

2856
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:32,000
to listen to listen to their scranton on

2857
01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:33,360
our show it's amazing yeah kevin

2858
01:41:38,229 --> 01:41:35,679
stephens is a friend of mine kevin and i

2859
01:41:40,709 --> 01:41:38,239
met at uh a conference in april last

2860
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:40,719
year he and and my son isaac and i

2861
01:41:43,590 --> 01:41:41,760
connected

2862
01:41:45,030 --> 01:41:43,600
um

2863
01:41:47,189 --> 01:41:45,040
so i'm very pleased to hear that he

2864
01:41:48,870 --> 01:41:47,199
stood up to listen oh yeah kevin's one

2865
01:41:50,470 --> 01:41:48,880
of our oldest listeners he's been with

2866
01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:50,480
us since i think like episode three or

2867
01:41:54,790 --> 01:41:52,000
four i don't know how he stumbled across

2868
01:41:56,070 --> 01:41:54,800
us um but he he's he's he's an old

2869
01:41:58,790 --> 01:41:56,080
schooler and i always appreciate when he

2870
01:41:59,750 --> 01:41:58,800
gives a good question uh he asks is

2871
01:42:02,709 --> 01:41:59,760
there anything known about the

2872
01:42:10,390 --> 01:42:02,719
commonality or not of the ancestors that

2873
01:42:14,709 --> 01:42:13,109
there are dogan statements that are

2874
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:14,719
mythical statements and they take

2875
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:16,800
they're harder to sort

2876
01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:19,199
sort to a real a real perspective

2877
01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:20,719
there's interpretation that has to

2878
01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:21,600
happen

2879
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:23,040
uh about it

2880
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:25,920
there are statements of of why a certain

2881
01:42:30,149 --> 01:42:28,800
group rather than another group was

2882
01:42:31,590 --> 01:42:30,159
selected

2883
01:42:32,629 --> 01:42:31,600
to be the ones who are going to be the

2884
01:42:34,709 --> 01:42:32,639
teachers

2885
01:42:40,390 --> 01:42:34,719
um

2886
01:42:41,750 --> 01:42:40,400
that that's a hard question answer

2887
01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:41,760
there's an entire

2888
01:42:46,550 --> 01:42:43,360
chapter in the anthropological study

2889
01:42:49,270 --> 01:42:46,560
that i recently re-read

2890
01:42:51,109 --> 01:42:49,280
trying to gain some more insights into

2891
01:42:53,590 --> 01:42:51,119
to what that's about and to the

2892
01:42:55,830 --> 01:42:53,600
processes by which something might have

2893
01:42:58,070 --> 01:42:55,840
materialized

2894
01:43:00,870 --> 01:42:58,080
from my perspective

2895
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:03,270
the job of a scientist is

2896
01:43:08,629 --> 01:43:06,000
to explore all the possibilities

2897
01:43:10,149 --> 01:43:08,639
that even if there's only a one percent

2898
01:43:11,430 --> 01:43:10,159
or less than one percent chance that the

2899
01:43:12,310 --> 01:43:11,440
dogan really know what they're talking

2900
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:12,320
about

2901
01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:14,880
the payoff if they do is so huge that

2902
01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:16,800
it's certainly worth the effort to

2903
01:43:22,070 --> 01:43:19,920
look into it and explore it um

2904
01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:22,080
i do know that the ones who were

2905
01:43:27,109 --> 01:43:24,960
selected to teach

2906
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:27,119
made a sacrifice this is one of the

2907
01:43:31,270 --> 01:43:30,239
great themes of the dogan

2908
01:43:33,109 --> 01:43:31,280
religion

2909
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:33,119
it's the concept the sacrifice of the

2910
01:43:38,149 --> 01:43:36,400
pneumo and i didn't really understand

2911
01:43:39,510 --> 01:43:38,159
until

2912
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:39,520
the book that is currently at the

2913
01:43:43,109 --> 01:43:41,440
publisher right now the one that's not

2914
01:43:44,629 --> 01:43:43,119
yet been published the name of the book

2915
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:44,639
was just assigned this week it's going

2916
01:43:49,669 --> 01:43:47,520
to be called decoding the maori this is

2917
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:49,679
about the maori in new zealand i didn't

2918
01:43:53,990 --> 01:43:52,000
understand understand until i researched

2919
01:43:55,270 --> 01:43:54,000
and wrote that book

2920
01:43:56,870 --> 01:43:55,280
that

2921
01:43:58,709 --> 01:43:56,880
ultimately it was a one-way trip for

2922
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:58,719
these teachers

2923
01:44:02,149 --> 01:44:00,000
that

2924
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:02,159
things reached a point where

2925
01:44:05,750 --> 01:44:04,000
they were not in a position to be able

2926
01:44:07,109 --> 01:44:05,760
to go back and they knew that before

2927
01:44:08,629 --> 01:44:07,119
they left

2928
01:44:11,109 --> 01:44:08,639
and at that point

2929
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:11,119
their only recourse was essentially to

2930
01:44:15,590 --> 01:44:13,679
be hunted to death

2931
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:15,600
these are the

2932
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:18,239
the pygmies of the uk tradition and the

2933
01:44:25,350 --> 01:44:21,360
pygmies of the new zealand tradition who

2934
01:44:26,950 --> 01:44:25,360
each in their own places were either

2935
01:44:29,510 --> 01:44:26,960
hunted and forced out of where they were

2936
01:44:31,030 --> 01:44:29,520
and forced to go someplace else or

2937
01:44:32,310 --> 01:44:31,040
ultimately hunted to extinction when

2938
01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:32,320
they were in places that they couldn't

2939
01:44:36,550 --> 01:44:33,360
leave

2940
01:44:38,790 --> 01:44:36,560
and it's really very a sad

2941
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:38,800
thing very sad commentary

2942
01:44:41,430 --> 01:44:39,600
but

2943
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:41,440
they apparently knew before they came

2944
01:44:43,750 --> 01:44:42,719
that that's what the truth is going to

2945
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:43,760
be

2946
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:47,280
able

2947
01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:48,480
to do some of the things that they were

2948
01:44:51,910 --> 01:44:50,000
able to do

2949
01:44:53,590 --> 01:44:51,920
somewhat of a morbid question but

2950
01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:53,600
knowing uh the

2951
01:44:57,109 --> 01:44:55,440
uh picked traditions would this have

2952
01:45:00,830 --> 01:44:57,119
anything to do with teaching people to

2953
01:45:06,149 --> 01:45:03,510
non-alcoholic um i don't i don't think

2954
01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:06,159
that it does um well

2955
01:45:09,189 --> 01:45:07,920
what you're referring to is uh there are

2956
01:45:13,030 --> 01:45:09,199
a number of

2957
01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:15,030
objects or things we can point to on

2958
01:45:17,910 --> 01:45:16,800
orkney island that

2959
01:45:19,270 --> 01:45:17,920
um

2960
01:45:21,030 --> 01:45:19,280
uniquely

2961
01:45:22,709 --> 01:45:21,040
identified and connected to certain

2962
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:22,719
things for example

2963
01:45:26,149 --> 01:45:24,000
um

2964
01:45:28,709 --> 01:45:26,159
there is a variety of wheat that was

2965
01:45:30,790 --> 01:45:28,719
grown only on orkney island in the

2966
01:45:31,669 --> 01:45:30,800
entire uk

2967
01:45:34,070 --> 01:45:31,679
but

2968
01:45:36,790 --> 01:45:34,080
genetically it's related to

2969
01:45:39,109 --> 01:45:36,800
a variety of actually partly that were

2970
01:45:41,830 --> 01:45:39,119
that first appeared at 6000 bc in the

2971
01:45:43,270 --> 01:45:41,840
fertile crescent region

2972
01:45:44,629 --> 01:45:43,280
there's also

2973
01:45:47,830 --> 01:45:44,639
it looks as if

2974
01:45:49,030 --> 01:45:47,840
there's a variety of mouse a vole the

2975
01:45:51,030 --> 01:45:49,040
ole

2976
01:45:52,790 --> 01:45:51,040
that is unique towards the island in the

2977
01:45:53,590 --> 01:45:52,800
entire uk

2978
01:45:55,910 --> 01:45:53,600
that

2979
01:45:59,430 --> 01:45:55,920
the bbc people arranged to help help

2980
01:46:01,830 --> 01:45:59,440
arrange or quoted a study that

2981
01:46:03,669 --> 01:46:01,840
compared the dna of this bowl to bulls

2982
01:46:05,669 --> 01:46:03,679
all around europe

2983
01:46:07,590 --> 01:46:05,679
and they did find an exact match i think

2984
01:46:09,270 --> 01:46:07,600
they found a close

2985
01:46:10,950 --> 01:46:09,280
possibility in belgium and they were

2986
01:46:12,229 --> 01:46:10,960
imagining that that meant that the

2987
01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:12,239
people on north carolina came from

2988
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:14,560
belgium but i checked with the re one of

2989
01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:16,400
the researchers the guy who did the dna

2990
01:46:21,109 --> 01:46:19,199
testing i said how far a field of orkney

2991
01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:21,119
did you go looking for bulls that

2992
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:22,080
connect

2993
01:46:25,510 --> 01:46:24,480
and he said well we limited ourselves to

2994
01:46:28,470 --> 01:46:25,520
europe

2995
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:28,480
it turns out there's a variety of vole

2996
01:46:33,830 --> 01:46:31,199
that originated in turkey

2997
01:46:36,709 --> 01:46:33,840
in a region of the fertile crescent and

2998
01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:36,719
is found in locations historically down

2999
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:38,080
into

3000
01:46:42,709 --> 01:46:41,600
like the palestine area and then also

3001
01:46:46,470 --> 01:46:42,719
appears

3002
01:46:48,470 --> 01:46:46,480
in one very tiny locale in northern

3003
01:46:53,030 --> 01:46:48,480
africa in libya i think

3004
01:46:56,709 --> 01:46:54,390
so again

3005
01:46:59,270 --> 01:46:56,719
um we have a connection to that same for

3006
01:47:01,030 --> 01:46:59,280
a crescent region directly to orkney

3007
01:47:02,709 --> 01:47:01,040
island um there are a couple of other

3008
01:47:04,390 --> 01:47:02,719
factors that also point right back to

3009
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:04,400
that fertile crescent region which is

3010
01:47:09,109 --> 01:47:07,040
the region where go back to tepe is um

3011
01:47:11,669 --> 01:47:09,119
and the era consistently turns up at

3012
01:47:14,229 --> 01:47:11,679
around 6000 bc

3013
01:47:17,270 --> 01:47:14,239
so it looks to me that like whatever was

3014
01:47:19,590 --> 01:47:17,280
going on in gobekli tapia 10 000 bc

3015
01:47:20,629 --> 01:47:19,600
stayed fairly

3016
01:47:23,750 --> 01:47:20,639
locally

3017
01:47:26,470 --> 01:47:23,760
concentrated until around 6000 bc and

3018
01:47:28,229 --> 01:47:26,480
then at that point um somehow made the

3019
01:47:29,830 --> 01:47:28,239
jump to work down it looks like it made

3020
01:47:31,270 --> 01:47:29,840
the jump by sea

3021
01:47:33,430 --> 01:47:31,280
because

3022
01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:33,440
if you trace it down the coastline and

3023
01:47:37,910 --> 01:47:36,080
then over to the tip of northern africa

3024
01:47:38,950 --> 01:47:37,920
and then up the coastline to orkney

3025
01:47:41,590 --> 01:47:38,960
island

3026
01:47:44,390 --> 01:47:41,600
you can almost almost trace it

3027
01:47:48,550 --> 01:47:44,400
well that's also the the

3028
01:47:51,510 --> 01:47:48,560
the myth of uh the pharaonic origins of

3029
01:47:52,310 --> 01:47:51,520
the scots uh that uh they were descended

3030
01:47:55,189 --> 01:47:52,320
from

3031
01:47:58,070 --> 01:47:55,199
uh of an egyptian princess

3032
01:48:02,870 --> 01:48:01,189
that that's in a much later era the era

3033
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:02,880
that i'm talking about is thousands of

3034
01:48:06,709 --> 01:48:04,800
years before that

3035
01:48:08,790 --> 01:48:06,719
um and there's another perspective on

3036
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:08,800
the on the word scott and how it

3037
01:48:13,750 --> 01:48:11,440
connects to the egyptians um

3038
01:48:16,870 --> 01:48:13,760
what it looks like to me is that at 3200

3039
01:48:19,270 --> 01:48:16,880
bc before before dynastic egypt appears

3040
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:19,280
and they don't know what caused dynastic

3041
01:48:26,310 --> 01:48:23,510
that

3042
01:48:27,669 --> 01:48:26,320
education and agriculture and cosmology

3043
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:27,679
and

3044
01:48:30,070 --> 01:48:29,040
concepts of

3045
01:48:36,629 --> 01:48:30,080
of

3046
01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:36,639
being taught on orkney island and then

3047
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:39,040
about a hundred years later suddenly you

3048
01:48:43,590 --> 01:48:41,280
have agricultural kingships pop up in

3049
01:48:45,910 --> 01:48:43,600
four locations on the planet all at the

3050
01:48:48,550 --> 01:48:45,920
same moment with no history or

3051
01:48:52,229 --> 01:48:48,560
background in any of the places one was

3052
01:48:53,109 --> 01:48:52,239
egypt called taru one was in ireland

3053
01:49:01,990 --> 01:48:53,119
called

3054
01:49:03,430 --> 01:49:02,000
and each of those kingships was

3055
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:03,440
associated with

3056
01:49:12,149 --> 01:49:10,390
better yet those terms have second sets

3057
01:49:14,950 --> 01:49:12,159
of meanings like all good cosmological

3058
01:49:18,070 --> 01:49:14,960
terms that um from one perspective that

3059
01:49:20,629 --> 01:49:18,080
taru aru iru peru refer to the four

3060
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:20,639
cardinal points it's sunrise sunset

3061
01:49:24,629 --> 01:49:23,760
lower and upper which are is is east

3062
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:24,639
west

3063
01:49:29,990 --> 01:49:28,080
um south uh uh north and south but then

3064
01:49:31,189 --> 01:49:30,000
from another perspective those same

3065
01:49:33,830 --> 01:49:31,199
words

3066
01:49:36,629 --> 01:49:33,840
apply to four stages of an agricultural

3067
01:49:39,189 --> 01:49:36,639
field the first one is

3068
01:49:42,070 --> 01:49:39,199
an uncultivated field then a planted

3069
01:49:44,149 --> 01:49:42,080
field and a field of crop growing in it

3070
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:44,159
and then a granary where the crops are

3071
01:49:51,189 --> 01:49:49,430
it's very similar to most modern

3072
01:49:52,629 --> 01:49:51,199
websites nowadays if you go to like a

3073
01:49:54,870 --> 01:49:52,639
service website it shows the different

3074
01:49:56,870 --> 01:49:54,880
processes like you know this is our

3075
01:49:57,990 --> 01:49:56,880
design process we start with the idea

3076
01:49:59,350 --> 01:49:58,000
and then it goes to you know there's a

3077
01:50:01,430 --> 01:49:59,360
picture representing an idea it's

3078
01:50:03,510 --> 01:50:01,440
usually a light bulb or some you know an

3079
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:03,520
ungod cliche like that

3080
01:50:06,470 --> 01:50:04,800
uh

3081
01:50:08,070 --> 01:50:06,480
and you know it goes towards the then

3082
01:50:10,629 --> 01:50:08,080
the finished prod you know the finished

3083
01:50:12,950 --> 01:50:10,639
product and most processes

3084
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:12,960
that are listed at least within best

3085
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:14,639
practices they usually keep it to just

3086
01:50:19,030 --> 01:50:17,040
four which is you know the concept stage

3087
01:50:22,830 --> 01:50:19,040
the planning stage

3088
01:50:25,189 --> 01:50:22,840
the execution and the result

3089
01:50:27,109 --> 01:50:25,199
right yep and

3090
01:50:29,189 --> 01:50:27,119
dogan cosmology is organized that way

3091
01:50:32,310 --> 01:50:29,199
too on on on a force basically a

3092
01:50:34,470 --> 01:50:32,320
four-stage metaphoric process that there

3093
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:34,480
are a number of four-stage metaphors

3094
01:50:39,510 --> 01:50:36,800
that are presented to help us

3095
01:50:41,109 --> 01:50:39,520
properly categorized symbols um what the

3096
01:50:43,910 --> 01:50:41,119
one you're probably familiar with is

3097
01:50:46,950 --> 01:50:43,920
water fire wind and earth the water is

3098
01:50:49,189 --> 01:50:46,960
matter it's wave-like state um

3099
01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:49,199
fire is an act of perception when this

3100
01:50:55,669 --> 01:50:52,480
vibration and earth is mass

3101
01:50:57,189 --> 01:50:55,679
but yes that's that same basic idea

3102
01:50:59,109 --> 01:50:57,199
the whole idea of how you construct a

3103
01:51:04,470 --> 01:50:59,119
building is based on a similar four

3104
01:51:09,669 --> 01:51:06,470
so if i if i had to guess that's what i

3105
01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:09,679
would say happen i'd say we had um

3106
01:51:12,310 --> 01:51:11,520
education happening on orkney island

3107
01:51:14,629 --> 01:51:12,320
from

3108
01:51:17,270 --> 01:51:14,639
around 3200 bc until it was suddenly

3109
01:51:20,310 --> 01:51:17,280
abandoned around 2600 bbc

3110
01:51:22,790 --> 01:51:20,320
now at that same era 2600 bc

3111
01:51:26,070 --> 01:51:22,800
in egypt you have a pharaoh come to

3112
01:51:27,590 --> 01:51:26,080
power who names himself sene pharaoh

3113
01:51:29,910 --> 01:51:27,600
now

3114
01:51:31,750 --> 01:51:29,920
sene means image or reflection of and

3115
01:51:32,830 --> 01:51:31,760
feru is pharaoh

3116
01:51:36,070 --> 01:51:32,840
there's

3117
01:51:39,030 --> 01:51:36,080
a group of islands just the northeast of

3118
01:51:39,830 --> 01:51:39,040
orkney and called the pharaoh islands

3119
01:51:42,470 --> 01:51:39,840
and

3120
01:51:45,350 --> 01:51:42,480
very scenic place with very

3121
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:45,360
striking mountain peaks and so forth

3122
01:51:49,669 --> 01:51:47,199
now the sunny pharaoh in egypt starts

3123
01:51:51,510 --> 01:51:49,679
building pyramids but not your typical

3124
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:51,520
triangular perfect

3125
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:54,239
geometric pyramids he's

3126
01:51:57,669 --> 01:51:56,000
creating shapes that are odd like the

3127
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:57,679
band's pyramid that changes angles

3128
01:52:00,709 --> 01:51:59,280
halfway up

3129
01:52:03,189 --> 01:52:00,719
he's involved in building four different

3130
01:52:04,950 --> 01:52:03,199
pyramids turns out the very odd shapes

3131
01:52:07,030 --> 01:52:04,960
of these four pyramids

3132
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:07,040
are real good matches for

3133
01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:08,080
four

3134
01:52:10,149 --> 01:52:09,199
um

3135
01:52:11,669 --> 01:52:10,159
of the

3136
01:52:13,669 --> 01:52:11,679
dominant or

3137
01:52:14,950 --> 01:52:13,679
most striking peaks that you see in fair

3138
01:52:16,870 --> 01:52:14,960
island

3139
01:52:18,629 --> 01:52:16,880
and it's as if

3140
01:52:20,229 --> 01:52:18,639
he was deliberately making it based on

3141
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:20,239
his name he was deliberately making an

3142
01:52:22,229 --> 01:52:21,119
effort

3143
01:52:25,430 --> 01:52:22,239
to

3144
01:52:28,470 --> 01:52:25,440
replicate

3145
01:52:30,629 --> 01:52:28,480
these peaks in egypt

3146
01:52:32,550 --> 01:52:30,639
now do do we have any uh indications and

3147
01:52:34,950 --> 01:52:32,560
that this is from ibrahim ibrahim who

3148
01:52:37,350 --> 01:52:34,960
hasn't been in the live chat for a while

3149
01:52:39,189 --> 01:52:37,360
so welcome again to the show um and he

3150
01:52:41,510 --> 01:52:39,199
asks do we have an indication of ward

3151
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:41,520
conflict on orkley island before the the

3152
01:52:46,470 --> 01:52:44,080
probable spread or migration into the

3153
01:52:47,990 --> 01:52:46,480
middle east and elsewhere which might

3154
01:52:50,550 --> 01:52:48,000
have caused the establishment of

3155
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:50,560
dynastic egypt

3156
01:52:54,550 --> 01:52:52,800
um say that again i missed exploring the

3157
01:52:55,350 --> 01:52:54,560
early words in the sentence do we know

3158
01:52:58,550 --> 01:52:55,360
what

3159
01:53:01,430 --> 01:52:58,560
do we have any indications of war and or

3160
01:53:04,070 --> 01:53:01,440
and or conflict on orkney island before

3161
01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:04,080
the probable spread or migration into

3162
01:53:09,589 --> 01:53:06,400
the middle east and elsewhere which

3163
01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:09,599
might have caused the okay

3164
01:53:14,550 --> 01:53:12,880
no the orkney island like dogan culture

3165
01:53:16,709 --> 01:53:14,560
was

3166
01:53:20,709 --> 01:53:16,719
singularly peaceful they have no

3167
01:53:22,950 --> 01:53:20,719
evidence of any fortification of any

3168
01:53:24,790 --> 01:53:22,960
armament

3169
01:53:27,270 --> 01:53:24,800
one of the factors that keeps a dogan

3170
01:53:28,470 --> 01:53:27,280
village a peaceful place

3171
01:53:30,149 --> 01:53:28,480
is

3172
01:53:32,550 --> 01:53:30,159
a structure that every village has

3173
01:53:34,470 --> 01:53:32,560
there's one just like it at on at

3174
01:53:36,229 --> 01:53:34,480
scarabray

3175
01:53:38,629 --> 01:53:36,239
called a meeting house

3176
01:53:41,430 --> 01:53:38,639
and the rule in the village is

3177
01:53:44,070 --> 01:53:41,440
if there's a dispute of any kind between

3178
01:53:45,990 --> 01:53:44,080
villagers that all the people interested

3179
01:53:48,310 --> 01:53:46,000
parties are required to go to this

3180
01:53:50,709 --> 01:53:48,320
meetinghouse and require to stay there

3181
01:53:53,430 --> 01:53:50,719
until the issue has worked out to the

3182
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:53,440
satisfaction of everybody in the group

3183
01:53:57,109 --> 01:53:54,480
and so

3184
01:53:57,990 --> 01:53:57,119
consequently largely because of that i

3185
01:53:59,189 --> 01:53:58,000
feel

3186
01:54:00,950 --> 01:53:59,199
um

3187
01:54:03,589 --> 01:54:00,960
the average yoga village is an entirely

3188
01:54:05,669 --> 01:54:03,599
peaceful place and the same was true or

3189
01:54:07,109 --> 01:54:05,679
seems to have been true at scarabray

3190
01:54:09,430 --> 01:54:07,119
now i'm trying to clarify with one of

3191
01:54:10,470 --> 01:54:09,440
our listeners but uh craig flowers in

3192
01:54:12,070 --> 01:54:10,480
chat is

3193
01:54:14,149 --> 01:54:12,080
claiming that the indus valley had a

3194
01:54:15,589 --> 01:54:14,159
very similar house i could be wrong on

3195
01:54:17,350 --> 01:54:15,599
on his

3196
01:54:18,550 --> 01:54:17,360
on him writing that but

3197
01:54:24,629 --> 01:54:18,560
is that something that that has been

3198
01:54:29,750 --> 01:54:27,189
i don't know of a

3199
01:54:31,350 --> 01:54:29,760
specific equivalence to the house plan

3200
01:54:33,109 --> 01:54:31,360
in this valley the house plan we're

3201
01:54:36,070 --> 01:54:33,119
talking about is the original house plan

3202
01:54:37,750 --> 01:54:36,080
of the scarobrae houses they were built

3203
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:37,760
in an odd way

3204
01:54:41,669 --> 01:54:39,760
this is one of the the pivotal links to

3205
01:54:45,030 --> 01:54:41,679
connecting them to the dogen the house

3206
01:54:47,510 --> 01:54:45,040
has a round room toward one end

3207
01:54:49,270 --> 01:54:47,520
that's referred to as a beehive cell

3208
01:54:50,550 --> 01:54:49,280
shape

3209
01:54:52,470 --> 01:54:50,560
it has a

3210
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:52,480
square central room

3211
01:54:57,669 --> 01:54:55,520
it has rectangular rooms on either side

3212
01:54:59,990 --> 01:54:57,679
of that square it has a hearth in the

3213
01:55:01,589 --> 01:55:00,000
middle of the square room and it has an

3214
01:55:03,109 --> 01:55:01,599
entryway that's sort of rectangular at

3215
01:55:04,470 --> 01:55:03,119
the bottom

3216
01:55:05,350 --> 01:55:04,480
now

3217
01:55:10,470 --> 01:55:05,360
i

3218
01:55:13,750 --> 01:55:10,480
when

3219
01:55:16,149 --> 01:55:13,760
were egyptian

3220
01:55:18,310 --> 01:55:16,159
and the question i was pursuing was from

3221
01:55:19,830 --> 01:55:18,320
a from a distant acquaintance was

3222
01:55:23,270 --> 01:55:19,840
whether or not there might be egyptian

3223
01:55:24,950 --> 01:55:23,280
influences at scarabray i thought well

3224
01:55:26,390 --> 01:55:24,960
it's possible that don't have done a

3225
01:55:27,669 --> 01:55:26,400
good enough job of preserving their

3226
01:55:30,310 --> 01:55:27,679
traditions that i'll find some

3227
01:55:31,589 --> 01:55:30,320
commonality to them so i went and i

3228
01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:31,599
looked and i discovered that even though

3229
01:55:35,270 --> 01:55:33,199
the dogan normally build their houses

3230
01:55:36,550 --> 01:55:35,280
out of mud they do sometimes build them

3231
01:55:38,629 --> 01:55:36,560
out of stone and when they build them

3232
01:55:41,830 --> 01:55:38,639
out of stone they build them to the same

3233
01:55:44,229 --> 01:55:41,840
plant only for them the plan has

3234
01:55:45,030 --> 01:55:44,239
cosmological meaning symbolism to it

3235
01:55:47,589 --> 01:55:45,040
this

3236
01:55:49,669 --> 01:55:47,599
the house plan is supposed to represent

3237
01:55:51,109 --> 01:55:49,679
the body of a sleeping woman or a

3238
01:55:52,950 --> 01:55:51,119
sleeping goddess

3239
01:55:56,149 --> 01:55:52,960
and the round room is her head the

3240
01:55:57,990 --> 01:55:56,159
square room is her body cavity the

3241
01:56:01,030 --> 01:55:58,000
rectangular rooms on the sides are her

3242
01:56:03,589 --> 01:56:01,040
arms the square hearth is her heart

3243
01:56:06,550 --> 01:56:03,599
and the entryway are her sexual parts

3244
01:56:08,470 --> 01:56:06,560
the dogan use that same plan except they

3245
01:56:10,550 --> 01:56:08,480
live in a sub-tropical climate they

3246
01:56:12,229 --> 01:56:10,560
don't need a hearth in their house they

3247
01:56:14,149 --> 01:56:12,239
don't need to warm their house

3248
01:56:15,910 --> 01:56:14,159
and so their hearth which is built in

3249
01:56:18,790 --> 01:56:15,920
the same way as the hearth of the scarab

3250
01:56:20,790 --> 01:56:18,800
ray house has been moved out into a um a

3251
01:56:23,189 --> 01:56:20,800
courtyard not in the house

3252
01:56:25,430 --> 01:56:23,199
but i thought now my perspective was i

3253
01:56:26,790 --> 01:56:25,440
was seeing dogan and egyptian influences

3254
01:56:31,430 --> 01:56:26,800
on

3255
01:56:34,550 --> 01:56:31,440
island that the flow was from the dogen

3256
01:56:35,830 --> 01:56:34,560
to or from the egyptians to the scotland

3257
01:56:37,990 --> 01:56:35,840
and so i thought well that's very

3258
01:56:40,070 --> 01:56:38,000
interesting that when

3259
01:56:42,070 --> 01:56:40,080
on in scotland they implemented the

3260
01:56:43,990 --> 01:56:42,080
hospital and they added the hearth

3261
01:56:45,669 --> 01:56:44,000
because it was a colder climate but they

3262
01:56:46,709 --> 01:56:45,679
did it in keeping with the symbolism of

3263
01:56:49,189 --> 01:56:46,719
the house

3264
01:56:50,709 --> 01:56:49,199
it wasn't for a while in into my studies

3265
01:56:53,270 --> 01:56:50,719
that it occurred to me that i had things

3266
01:56:55,430 --> 01:56:53,280
backwards that the hearth was an

3267
01:56:56,870 --> 01:56:55,440
original part of the plan and the dogan

3268
01:56:59,030 --> 01:56:56,880
simply removed it when they went to

3269
01:57:01,030 --> 01:56:59,040
africa that the influence slowed the

3270
01:57:03,510 --> 01:57:01,040
away that that

3271
01:57:05,189 --> 01:57:03,520
orkney island was too early to be

3272
01:57:06,950 --> 01:57:05,199
reasonably be

3273
01:57:08,830 --> 01:57:06,960
the result of an expedition mounted from

3274
01:57:12,149 --> 01:57:08,840
egypt to

3275
01:57:15,030 --> 01:57:12,159
scotland and that what we're seeing on

3276
01:57:17,270 --> 01:57:15,040
orkney island is essentially a college

3277
01:57:18,790 --> 01:57:17,280
an instructional site and that the

3278
01:57:20,790 --> 01:57:18,800
influences from there go out in

3279
01:57:23,830 --> 01:57:20,800
different directions and to support that

3280
01:57:25,030 --> 01:57:23,840
idea we've got dna studies on orkney

3281
01:57:26,950 --> 01:57:25,040
island that

3282
01:57:29,109 --> 01:57:26,960
show it to be one of the most

3283
01:57:31,030 --> 01:57:29,119
genetically diverse places in the entire

3284
01:57:33,430 --> 01:57:31,040
world and nobody knows why

3285
01:57:35,430 --> 01:57:33,440
looks to me the reason that that is

3286
01:57:37,510 --> 01:57:35,440
is because the dogan are right when they

3287
01:57:39,750 --> 01:57:37,520
say that tribal groups were brought from

3288
01:57:41,350 --> 01:57:39,760
all over to this locale to teach them

3289
01:57:44,310 --> 01:57:41,360
and then send a way to teach everybody

3290
01:57:47,830 --> 01:57:44,320
else that could result in the kind of

3291
01:57:50,149 --> 01:57:47,840
um dna mixing that we see on norcal

3292
01:57:53,270 --> 01:57:50,159
that would make a a lot of sense and and

3293
01:57:55,350 --> 01:57:53,280
it brings to mind that every single year

3294
01:57:57,189 --> 01:57:55,360
you have all of these uh

3295
01:57:59,350 --> 01:57:57,199
young adults and and

3296
01:58:00,950 --> 01:57:59,360
really really late teens that head to

3297
01:58:02,790 --> 01:58:00,960
college they will travel sometimes all

3298
01:58:05,510 --> 01:58:02,800
the way across the country or across the

3299
01:58:06,470 --> 01:58:05,520
world to get to this this area of

3300
01:58:10,550 --> 01:58:06,480
learning

3301
01:58:12,950 --> 01:58:10,560
and that's where you know ideas and well

3302
01:58:13,669 --> 01:58:12,960
beforehand not ideas are becoming kind

3303
01:58:15,109 --> 01:58:13,679
of

3304
01:58:17,430 --> 01:58:15,119
um

3305
01:58:19,430 --> 01:58:17,440
uh unshareable on on college campuses

3306
01:58:21,109 --> 01:58:19,440
nowadays i'm i'm you know with my wife

3307
01:58:22,390 --> 01:58:21,119
uh giving birth in the next six months

3308
01:58:24,790 --> 01:58:22,400
i'm always i'm worried about what's

3309
01:58:25,910 --> 01:58:24,800
going to happen in 18 years from now but

3310
01:58:27,669 --> 01:58:25,920
traditionally

3311
01:58:29,350 --> 01:58:27,679
it's supposed to be the the place of

3312
01:58:30,550 --> 01:58:29,360
higher learning where where very liberal

3313
01:58:32,790 --> 01:58:30,560
people can

3314
01:58:34,390 --> 01:58:32,800
discuss uh indiscriminately ideas and

3315
01:58:35,270 --> 01:58:34,400
and and

3316
01:58:37,270 --> 01:58:35,280
gain

3317
01:58:39,910 --> 01:58:37,280
exposure to different cultures

3318
01:58:42,070 --> 01:58:39,920
now has there been any evidence or is

3319
01:58:43,910 --> 01:58:42,080
there any theory about

3320
01:58:46,070 --> 01:58:43,920
different cultures being there at the

3321
01:58:47,189 --> 01:58:46,080
same time in intermingling

3322
01:58:51,510 --> 01:58:47,199
besides

3323
01:58:54,470 --> 01:58:51,520
dna

3324
01:58:56,950 --> 01:58:54,480
but

3325
01:58:58,550 --> 01:58:56,960
if that were true then we would have a

3326
01:59:00,790 --> 01:58:58,560
fairly easy and understandable

3327
01:59:02,390 --> 01:59:00,800
explanation for why

3328
01:59:04,950 --> 01:59:02,400
stone working techniques are the same

3329
01:59:07,030 --> 01:59:04,960
all over the world and and all these are

3330
01:59:09,109 --> 01:59:07,040
typical symbols that jung talks about

3331
01:59:10,149 --> 01:59:09,119
are the same all over the world it's not

3332
01:59:16,790 --> 01:59:10,159
because

3333
01:59:18,790 --> 01:59:16,800
got together with the people from egypt

3334
01:59:20,709 --> 01:59:18,800
it may just be that they were taught by

3335
01:59:22,790 --> 01:59:20,719
the same teachers according to the same

3336
01:59:24,310 --> 01:59:22,800
plan

3337
01:59:25,510 --> 01:59:24,320
and that's really the way that i look at

3338
01:59:27,189 --> 01:59:25,520
things that

3339
01:59:29,350 --> 01:59:27,199
the lion's share of the similarities

3340
01:59:31,030 --> 01:59:29,360
we're seeing

3341
01:59:33,109 --> 01:59:31,040
result from the fact that they were all

3342
01:59:35,669 --> 01:59:33,119
taught by the same

3343
01:59:37,510 --> 01:59:35,679
uh prior source not because necessarily

3344
01:59:41,270 --> 01:59:37,520
because they had contact with each other

3345
01:59:43,750 --> 01:59:41,280
now the term cosmology deals a lot with

3346
01:59:45,030 --> 01:59:43,760
very abstract ideas and it can also deal

3347
01:59:47,350 --> 01:59:45,040
with very

3348
01:59:50,310 --> 01:59:47,360
non-abstract ideas such as mathematics

3349
01:59:53,189 --> 01:59:50,320
and geometry um i'm you know being a

3350
01:59:55,669 --> 01:59:53,199
freemason myself the the idea of uh

3351
01:59:57,669 --> 01:59:55,679
you know using geometry to

3352
01:59:59,589 --> 01:59:57,679
at least gain the higher knowledge of

3353
02:00:03,030 --> 01:59:59,599
the universe and and

3354
02:00:04,310 --> 02:00:03,040
you know all of that stuff um

3355
02:00:06,390 --> 02:00:04,320
it it seems

3356
02:00:07,750 --> 02:00:06,400
very

3357
02:00:09,990 --> 02:00:07,760
it's interesting to me and i'm going to

3358
02:00:11,830 --> 02:00:10,000
refer to work by a guest that we had on

3359
02:00:13,510 --> 02:00:11,840
two weeks ago and i i may have a

3360
02:00:14,310 --> 02:00:13,520
sentient email to introduce you to him

3361
02:00:16,310 --> 02:00:14,320
um

3362
02:00:17,510 --> 02:00:16,320
brother john michael greer

3363
02:00:19,589 --> 02:00:17,520
uh he

3364
02:00:21,910 --> 02:00:19,599
in one of his books he had laid out that

3365
02:00:23,189 --> 02:00:21,920
the the basic guide and you know uh even

3366
02:00:25,109 --> 02:00:23,199
though i'm a freemasonic i'd say this

3367
02:00:27,430 --> 02:00:25,119
because it's from the books so

3368
02:00:28,870 --> 02:00:27,440
the the secret of freemasonry was

3369
02:00:30,550 --> 02:00:28,880
essentially

3370
02:00:32,709 --> 02:00:30,560
um or at least one of the secrets was

3371
02:00:34,709 --> 02:00:32,719
how to lay out a building using uh

3372
02:00:37,750 --> 02:00:34,719
geometric

3373
02:00:40,070 --> 02:00:37,760
manners and the

3374
02:00:41,669 --> 02:00:40,080
at least i i'm seeing that the

3375
02:00:44,229 --> 02:00:41,679
similarities between the way that it was

3376
02:00:46,310 --> 02:00:44,239
done in egypt and possibly earlier is

3377
02:00:47,350 --> 02:00:46,320
very very very similar if not the exact

3378
02:00:49,589 --> 02:00:47,360
same way

3379
02:00:51,510 --> 02:00:49,599
that was done during the

3380
02:00:53,910 --> 02:00:51,520
building period in europe so for all the

3381
02:00:55,270 --> 02:00:53,920
great cathedrals that were put up all

3382
02:01:00,070 --> 02:00:55,280
across

3383
02:01:02,470 --> 02:01:00,080
during the the warming period

3384
02:01:04,709 --> 02:01:02,480
we're using the same principles so is

3385
02:01:06,870 --> 02:01:04,719
there right and and

3386
02:01:08,629 --> 02:01:06,880
many different cultures do it i mean

3387
02:01:10,470 --> 02:01:08,639
you have archaeologists out there

3388
02:01:12,550 --> 02:01:10,480
surmising that well the way they align

3389
02:01:14,790 --> 02:01:12,560
this thing to north south east and west

3390
02:01:17,030 --> 02:01:14,800
so precisely say the great pyramid was

3391
02:01:18,870 --> 02:01:17,040
by siding on the northern star and they

3392
02:01:21,109 --> 02:01:18,880
have all these exotic techniques they

3393
02:01:23,270 --> 02:01:21,119
talk about being used to align things

3394
02:01:24,709 --> 02:01:23,280
when the actual

3395
02:01:27,109 --> 02:01:24,719
the easiest way to

3396
02:01:29,750 --> 02:01:27,119
achieve the alignment is geometric and

3397
02:01:32,390 --> 02:01:29,760
it really has it only involves a stick

3398
02:01:36,149 --> 02:01:32,400
in an empty field and sunlight

3399
02:01:38,550 --> 02:01:36,159
and you draw a circle around the stick

3400
02:01:40,709 --> 02:01:38,560
where the diameter of the circle is

3401
02:01:41,910 --> 02:01:40,719
twice the height of the stick

3402
02:01:44,950 --> 02:01:41,920
and then

3403
02:01:46,709 --> 02:01:44,960
each you measure the two longest

3404
02:01:48,470 --> 02:01:46,719
shadows of the day that are cast by the

3405
02:01:51,189 --> 02:01:48,480
sun you know the stick

3406
02:01:52,709 --> 02:01:51,199
of the stick um morning and evening at

3407
02:01:54,870 --> 02:01:52,719
the points where they cross the circle

3408
02:01:57,270 --> 02:01:54,880
that you drew around the stick those two

3409
02:01:59,109 --> 02:01:57,280
points are automatically aligned east

3410
02:02:02,310 --> 02:01:59,119
and west because the sun rises in the

3411
02:02:04,470 --> 02:02:02,320
east and it's heads in the west

3412
02:02:05,270 --> 02:02:04,480
that line if you were to mark it every

3413
02:02:07,589 --> 02:02:05,280
day

3414
02:02:10,229 --> 02:02:07,599
you would see it appear to move

3415
02:02:12,149 --> 02:02:10,239
um because of the way the seasons work

3416
02:02:14,149 --> 02:02:12,159
on our our planet

3417
02:02:15,350 --> 02:02:14,159
that the sun rises a little bit farther

3418
02:02:16,790 --> 02:02:15,360
north a little bit farther north a

3419
02:02:18,950 --> 02:02:16,800
little bit farther north we get to the

3420
02:02:21,030 --> 02:02:18,960
solstice and then it starts moving south

3421
02:02:23,270 --> 02:02:21,040
again until we get to the next full

3422
02:02:24,790 --> 02:02:23,280
assist and at the equinoxes it passes

3423
02:02:28,070 --> 02:02:24,800
right through the stick

3424
02:02:29,109 --> 02:02:28,080
so with this one figure

3425
02:02:30,870 --> 02:02:29,119
you have

3426
02:02:33,910 --> 02:02:30,880
two prerequisites of agriculture you

3427
02:02:36,149 --> 02:02:33,920
have the ability to mark time during the

3428
02:02:37,910 --> 02:02:36,159
day to know

3429
02:02:40,470 --> 02:02:37,920
keep track of the reason we keep track

3430
02:02:42,229 --> 02:02:40,480
of the hours that you have a sundial

3431
02:02:44,390 --> 02:02:42,239
but the line moving back and forth gives

3432
02:02:46,550 --> 02:02:44,400
you a calendar a way to give visibility

3433
02:02:48,790 --> 02:02:46,560
to the seasons so you have an idea of

3434
02:02:50,709 --> 02:02:48,800
when to plant and when to to harvest and

3435
02:02:53,589 --> 02:02:50,719
things like that based on something

3436
02:02:56,229 --> 02:02:53,599
scientific not based on guesswork

3437
02:02:58,390 --> 02:02:56,239
no i'm and that geometry is found

3438
02:02:59,589 --> 02:02:58,400
everywhere it's in islam it's it's in

3439
02:03:02,550 --> 02:02:59,599
buddhism

3440
02:03:04,950 --> 02:03:02,560
at the dogan use it um it looks like

3441
02:03:07,189 --> 02:03:04,960
it's used all over

3442
02:03:09,030 --> 02:03:07,199
and for this type of measurement

3443
02:03:10,950 --> 02:03:09,040
traditionally the qubit was used and i

3444
02:03:13,189 --> 02:03:10,960
know that there are several

3445
02:03:16,149 --> 02:03:13,199
different forms of qubit of various

3446
02:03:17,830 --> 02:03:16,159
lengths usually based around the um the

3447
02:03:21,350 --> 02:03:17,840
forearm and the palm

3448
02:03:24,390 --> 02:03:21,360
uh now this is has this been found on uh

3449
02:03:26,470 --> 02:03:24,400
orkney and or ferro islands uh in

3450
02:03:29,510 --> 02:03:26,480
construction yeah the

3451
02:03:31,350 --> 02:03:29,520
the cubit um i consider the cubit to be

3452
02:03:34,070 --> 02:03:31,360
one of the signatures of the tradition

3453
02:03:35,830 --> 02:03:34,080
and by that i mean any culture that used

3454
02:03:37,189 --> 02:03:35,840
the qubit

3455
02:03:40,629 --> 02:03:37,199
that's an indication that they were

3456
02:03:42,870 --> 02:03:40,639
influenced by the same cosmological plan

3457
02:03:45,189 --> 02:03:42,880
now the reason

3458
02:03:48,070 --> 02:03:45,199
that the qubit is different lengths and

3459
02:03:50,550 --> 02:03:48,080
different cultures is because

3460
02:03:52,629 --> 02:03:50,560
this geometry works based on the

3461
02:03:55,189 --> 02:03:52,639
relationship with the figures drawn not

3462
02:03:57,830 --> 02:03:55,199
how big they are

3463
02:03:58,790 --> 02:03:57,840
so it doesn't matter how big you measure

3464
02:04:00,950 --> 02:03:58,800
it as long as you measure it

3465
02:04:03,350 --> 02:04:00,960
consistently that means that you don't

3466
02:04:04,950 --> 02:04:03,360
need a precise unit of measure where

3467
02:04:06,310 --> 02:04:04,960
everybody has a yardstick the same

3468
02:04:08,470 --> 02:04:06,320
length

3469
02:04:11,270 --> 02:04:08,480
it suffices to have a relative unit of

3470
02:04:12,629 --> 02:04:11,280
measure and so like all other

3471
02:04:15,350 --> 02:04:12,639
um

3472
02:04:17,430 --> 02:04:15,360
definitions in the cosmology

3473
02:04:20,070 --> 02:04:17,440
a cubit had more than one definition it

3474
02:04:22,149 --> 02:04:20,080
could be the distance from an elbow to

3475
02:04:23,510 --> 02:04:22,159
the middle the tip of the middle finger

3476
02:04:24,790 --> 02:04:23,520
which was a different length on every

3477
02:04:27,189 --> 02:04:24,800
person

3478
02:04:30,470 --> 02:04:27,199
but it could also be measured as the

3479
02:04:33,350 --> 02:04:30,480
average step or pace of a person

3480
02:04:35,510 --> 02:04:33,360
and using that each initiate without

3481
02:04:37,510 --> 02:04:35,520
being supplied with any kind of a tool

3482
02:04:40,310 --> 02:04:37,520
in a time of hunter gatherers where

3483
02:04:42,149 --> 02:04:40,320
tools were not available

3484
02:04:44,070 --> 02:04:42,159
any initiate could measure out this

3485
02:04:46,550 --> 02:04:44,080
alignment geometry it's the first first

3486
02:04:48,790 --> 02:04:46,560
exercise that's taught to a buddhist

3487
02:04:49,990 --> 02:04:48,800
initiate

3488
02:04:53,990 --> 02:04:50,000
how to

3489
02:04:55,910 --> 02:04:54,000
align a structure using this geometry

3490
02:04:57,750 --> 02:04:55,920
and the mindset is

3491
02:05:00,310 --> 02:04:57,760
that the geometry

3492
02:05:03,910 --> 02:05:00,320
recreates

3493
02:05:05,030 --> 02:05:03,920
key processes of how matter forms

3494
02:05:06,709 --> 02:05:05,040
essential

3495
02:05:08,870 --> 02:05:06,719
shapes that are responsible in the

3496
02:05:11,189 --> 02:05:08,880
formation of matter that appear during

3497
02:05:12,550 --> 02:05:11,199
the formation of matter

3498
02:05:14,950 --> 02:05:12,560
an interesting thing and this is again

3499
02:05:17,660 --> 02:05:14,960
from from your work is the

3500
02:05:21,589 --> 02:05:18,790
[Music]

3501
02:05:23,030 --> 02:05:21,599
it's uh this is on orkney island uh like

3502
02:05:25,270 --> 02:05:23,040
the the ring of

3503
02:05:26,149 --> 02:05:25,280
brogdar which stands on the land where

3504
02:05:28,709 --> 02:05:26,159
the

3505
02:05:30,470 --> 02:05:28,719
stens and hairy locks meet uh viewed

3506
02:05:32,229 --> 02:05:30,480
from an aerial perspective the expanse

3507
02:05:34,390 --> 02:05:32,239
of land gives the impression of an

3508
02:05:36,470 --> 02:05:34,400
extended forearm whose finger points

3509
02:05:38,470 --> 02:05:36,480
directly to the circle formed by the

3510
02:05:40,390 --> 02:05:38,480
standing stones of stens

3511
02:05:43,270 --> 02:05:40,400
it's arguable that one function of the

3512
02:05:44,870 --> 02:05:43,280
stone circle was to measure time and

3513
02:05:47,350 --> 02:05:44,880
that the sequence of megalithic sites

3514
02:05:49,270 --> 02:05:47,360
was to give visibility and measure to

3515
02:05:51,589 --> 02:05:49,280
the formative stages of matter

3516
02:05:54,790 --> 02:05:51,599
so is

3517
02:05:56,470 --> 02:05:54,800
this type of methodology to

3518
02:05:59,270 --> 02:05:56,480
align and raise structures that's been

3519
02:06:02,470 --> 02:05:59,280
used for thousands of years

3520
02:06:05,430 --> 02:06:02,480
is it also intended to be a type of

3521
02:06:08,470 --> 02:06:05,440
metaphor for this type of form you know

3522
02:06:10,870 --> 02:06:08,480
matter being formed from nothing or

3523
02:06:11,830 --> 02:06:10,880
you know coming out of the ether

3524
02:06:15,030 --> 02:06:11,840
yeah

3525
02:06:19,030 --> 02:06:15,040
the the series the sequence of of shapes

3526
02:06:21,109 --> 02:06:19,040
is explicitly a representation of

3527
02:06:23,990 --> 02:06:21,119
the initial stages of matter

3528
02:06:28,390 --> 02:06:26,070
the stages of matter that happen between

3529
02:06:30,709 --> 02:06:28,400
the time a wave is perceived

3530
02:06:32,870 --> 02:06:30,719
and the time that the first structure of

3531
02:06:34,790 --> 02:06:32,880
matter the spiral of matter that really

3532
02:06:36,950 --> 02:06:34,800
corresponds to a caliber yaw space and

3533
02:06:39,830 --> 02:06:36,960
string theory gets formed and the

3534
02:06:41,669 --> 02:06:39,840
process is really comparable um

3535
02:06:43,589 --> 02:06:41,679
to

3536
02:06:45,510 --> 02:06:43,599
blowing a bubble with a bubble wand if

3537
02:06:47,109 --> 02:06:45,520
you've ever done that you dip the wand

3538
02:06:49,750 --> 02:06:47,119
in the bubble fluid and you start to

3539
02:06:52,149 --> 02:06:49,760
blow bubbles the first couple of bubbles

3540
02:06:53,669 --> 02:06:52,159
don't have enough tensile strength to be

3541
02:06:55,350 --> 02:06:53,679
able to hold their own weight so they

3542
02:06:56,709 --> 02:06:55,360
pop the collapse

3543
02:06:59,669 --> 02:06:56,719
well that's what happens with matter

3544
02:07:01,830 --> 02:06:59,679
also and that until you get to the

3545
02:07:03,830 --> 02:07:01,840
seventh bubble

3546
02:07:05,430 --> 02:07:03,840
the bubble doesn't have enough tensile

3547
02:07:07,910 --> 02:07:05,440
strength for the mass that's being

3548
02:07:10,550 --> 02:07:07,920
formed to be able to hold its shape

3549
02:07:13,589 --> 02:07:10,560
that seventh bubble um

3550
02:07:15,990 --> 02:07:13,599
then uh eventually uh grows to a point

3551
02:07:19,669 --> 02:07:16,000
where it also bursts

3552
02:07:22,790 --> 02:07:20,470
the

3553
02:07:24,390 --> 02:07:22,800
dogan concept of of this spiral shape

3554
02:07:27,109 --> 02:07:24,400
represents it in a number of different

3555
02:07:29,109 --> 02:07:27,119
ways it can be represented as

3556
02:07:31,589 --> 02:07:29,119
seven rays of the star

3557
02:07:33,589 --> 02:07:31,599
of increasing length if you had a point

3558
02:07:35,669 --> 02:07:33,599
a dot in the middle like that stick that

3559
02:07:36,870 --> 02:07:35,679
you stuck in the field and you measured

3560
02:07:38,470 --> 02:07:36,880
out

3561
02:07:40,950 --> 02:07:38,480
seven rays

3562
02:07:43,270 --> 02:07:40,960
coming out of that stick of increasing

3563
02:07:45,030 --> 02:07:43,280
length as you went around in a circle

3564
02:07:47,189 --> 02:07:45,040
you could then draw a spiral around the

3565
02:07:48,550 --> 02:07:47,199
endpoints of those rays and you get the

3566
02:07:51,109 --> 02:07:48,560
spiral shape

3567
02:07:53,910 --> 02:07:51,119
but without the doing without doing that

3568
02:07:55,830 --> 02:07:53,920
drawing you have the the original point

3569
02:07:57,030 --> 02:07:55,840
and the rays of the star that are

3570
02:07:59,669 --> 02:07:57,040
basically

3571
02:08:00,870 --> 02:07:59,679
radius radiuses of an expanding um

3572
02:08:03,430 --> 02:08:00,880
circle

3573
02:08:04,470 --> 02:08:03,440
it basically creates a helical

3574
02:08:06,149 --> 02:08:04,480
form

3575
02:08:08,790 --> 02:08:06,159
now the last time you're on this program

3576
02:08:10,229 --> 02:08:08,800
i know we went um alex and i we had

3577
02:08:12,470 --> 02:08:10,239
prepped for

3578
02:08:14,709 --> 02:08:12,480
a very long time leading up to it i

3579
02:08:15,750 --> 02:08:14,719
think it was like one of our first 12

3580
02:08:16,629 --> 02:08:15,760
episodes

3581
02:08:17,750 --> 02:08:16,639
and

3582
02:08:19,830 --> 02:08:17,760
uh

3583
02:08:21,270 --> 02:08:19,840
we had talked so much

3584
02:08:23,109 --> 02:08:21,280
and gone so deep into the subjects that

3585
02:08:25,910 --> 02:08:23,119
we started going into not only the the

3586
02:08:27,589 --> 02:08:25,920
book that you uh that is coming up

3587
02:08:29,669 --> 02:08:27,599
but the book after that

3588
02:08:30,870 --> 02:08:29,679
and you couldn't talk about any of it

3589
02:08:31,669 --> 02:08:30,880
at the time

3590
02:08:35,430 --> 02:08:31,679
um

3591
02:08:38,149 --> 02:08:35,440
convince the publisher

3592
02:08:42,069 --> 02:08:40,310
not the dogan book so i mean the not the

3593
02:08:44,390 --> 02:08:42,079
howard book so much but the one beyond

3594
02:08:46,390 --> 02:08:44,400
it because it's the one that starts

3595
02:08:48,149 --> 02:08:46,400
talking about these fundamental

3596
02:08:51,109 --> 02:08:48,159
structures of matter that

3597
02:08:51,910 --> 02:08:51,119
the scientists aren't discussing

3598
02:08:53,750 --> 02:08:51,920
um

3599
02:08:56,629 --> 02:08:53,760
as it stands right now

3600
02:08:58,550 --> 02:08:56,639
my problem is i can

3601
02:09:00,149 --> 02:08:58,560
wait behind the book that's being

3602
02:09:01,350 --> 02:09:00,159
published right now to get the next one

3603
02:09:03,669 --> 02:09:01,360
published which looks like it's going to

3604
02:09:05,109 --> 02:09:03,679
be a two-year process

3605
02:09:07,430 --> 02:09:05,119
take it to get the one i'd like to get

3606
02:09:08,310 --> 02:09:07,440
to and be able to talk about publish

3607
02:09:11,270 --> 02:09:08,320
or

3608
02:09:13,030 --> 02:09:11,280
i can say screw it and self-publish it

3609
02:09:14,470 --> 02:09:13,040
which i don't really want to do i have a

3610
02:09:16,390 --> 02:09:14,480
good relationship with the publisher i

3611
02:09:19,189 --> 02:09:16,400
like working with the people i don't

3612
02:09:20,709 --> 02:09:19,199
really want to um

3613
02:09:21,669 --> 02:09:20,719
branch out away from them if i don't

3614
02:09:23,510 --> 02:09:21,679
have to

3615
02:09:24,950 --> 02:09:23,520
but i also haven't been able to convince

3616
02:09:26,470 --> 02:09:24,960
them yet that they need to publish this

3617
02:09:29,510 --> 02:09:26,480
material that it's

3618
02:09:31,270 --> 02:09:29,520
urgent material and um even i even

3619
02:09:32,709 --> 02:09:31,280
invited tried to get myself invited over

3620
02:09:34,470 --> 02:09:32,719
to where they work

3621
02:09:35,510 --> 02:09:34,480
to make a presentation to them about

3622
02:09:37,030 --> 02:09:35,520
that book

3623
02:09:38,149 --> 02:09:37,040
to convince them

3624
02:09:39,830 --> 02:09:38,159
that

3625
02:09:41,589 --> 02:09:39,840
this is something they really need to

3626
02:09:43,990 --> 02:09:41,599
put a priority on

3627
02:09:46,229 --> 02:09:44,000
and how does it relate to your your past

3628
02:09:50,709 --> 02:09:46,239
books

3629
02:09:52,390 --> 02:09:50,719
but

3630
02:09:55,270 --> 02:09:52,400
okay as i was doing the comparison

3631
02:09:57,430 --> 02:09:55,280
side-by-side comparisons of matter

3632
02:10:03,109 --> 02:09:57,440
that scientific mat structure of matter

3633
02:10:07,189 --> 02:10:05,830
there are these stages that stephen

3634
02:10:08,870 --> 02:10:07,199
hawking and brian green and people like

3635
02:10:10,149 --> 02:10:08,880
that don't talk about

3636
02:10:12,629 --> 02:10:10,159
but

3637
02:10:14,709 --> 02:10:12,639
they aren't emphasized outwardly enough

3638
02:10:16,790 --> 02:10:14,719
in the dogan tradition for me to to

3639
02:10:20,149 --> 02:10:16,800
realize that

3640
02:10:21,510 --> 02:10:20,159
that they needed to be considered

3641
02:10:24,310 --> 02:10:21,520
and so

3642
02:10:28,069 --> 02:10:26,069
it's hard to explain but about a year

3643
02:10:29,830 --> 02:10:28,079
and a half ago

3644
02:10:31,910 --> 02:10:29,840
a situation happened where it occurred

3645
02:10:34,470 --> 02:10:31,920
to me to ask a question

3646
02:10:37,589 --> 02:10:34,480
that no other researcher i had ever been

3647
02:10:38,310 --> 02:10:37,599
involved with had thought to ask

3648
02:10:40,310 --> 02:10:38,320
and

3649
02:10:42,950 --> 02:10:40,320
when i asked that question

3650
02:10:46,149 --> 02:10:42,960
it pointed out the fact that these

3651
02:10:48,149 --> 02:10:46,159
descending these very lowest structures

3652
02:10:50,229 --> 02:10:48,159
look like they're also scientific and

3653
02:10:52,470 --> 02:10:50,239
they have pertinence

3654
02:10:54,149 --> 02:10:52,480
to the whole process of how matter forms

3655
02:10:56,069 --> 02:10:54,159
and that there may be

3656
02:10:57,830 --> 02:10:56,079
scientific correlates to them if i can

3657
02:11:00,390 --> 02:10:57,840
find the right

3658
02:11:01,669 --> 02:11:00,400
astrophysicist's view of how things work

3659
02:11:03,350 --> 02:11:01,679
and so i did

3660
02:11:05,350 --> 02:11:03,360
based on all those assumptions i did

3661
02:11:06,870 --> 02:11:05,360
turn up a theory of

3662
02:11:09,510 --> 02:11:06,880
matter that

3663
02:11:11,510 --> 02:11:09,520
that begins with these same structures

3664
02:11:14,069 --> 02:11:11,520
that i couldn't explain

3665
02:11:15,750 --> 02:11:14,079
and that led into this entire book that

3666
02:11:17,350 --> 02:11:15,760
gets down to

3667
02:11:22,470 --> 02:11:17,360
the real

3668
02:11:24,950 --> 02:11:22,480
how these two universes interact with

3669
02:11:26,390 --> 02:11:24,960
one another it gets down to the real

3670
02:11:28,709 --> 02:11:26,400
motivation

3671
02:11:31,510 --> 02:11:28,719
for even having this esoteric system the

3672
02:11:34,229 --> 02:11:31,520
real motivation for

3673
02:11:35,910 --> 02:11:34,239
why a teacher might cross over between

3674
02:11:38,870 --> 02:11:35,920
and not from the non-material side to

3675
02:11:40,470 --> 02:11:38,880
try to educate us and

3676
02:11:44,550 --> 02:11:40,480
verification from various religious

3677
02:11:48,709 --> 02:11:46,470
you're giving all at the

3678
02:11:49,910 --> 02:11:48,719
second book that's waiting behind the

3679
02:11:51,430 --> 02:11:49,920
maori book

3680
02:11:53,750 --> 02:11:51,440
you're giving us a very strong teaser

3681
02:11:55,270 --> 02:11:53,760
here and for two for two years away you

3682
02:11:56,870 --> 02:11:55,280
know there's always a possibility that

3683
02:11:58,709 --> 02:11:56,880
we may just you know hire some crack

3684
02:12:00,390 --> 02:11:58,719
writers and have them write something

3685
02:12:02,229 --> 02:12:00,400
that's completely off uh you know

3686
02:12:04,629 --> 02:12:02,239
completely off the rails and cut out a

3687
02:12:06,069 --> 02:12:04,639
few characters that are very popular

3688
02:12:07,589 --> 02:12:06,079
and you know cram everything down into

3689
02:12:09,270 --> 02:12:07,599
seven episodes

3690
02:12:11,030 --> 02:12:09,280
um so i'm just giving you a warning now

3691
02:12:12,310 --> 02:12:11,040
i really wanna this is the material that

3692
02:12:16,229 --> 02:12:12,320
i would really love to be able to talk

3693
02:12:18,229 --> 02:12:16,239
about in detail now the problem is

3694
02:12:21,109 --> 02:12:18,239
that it's unfair to talk about it and

3695
02:12:23,350 --> 02:12:21,119
not have a have source material that

3696
02:12:25,990 --> 02:12:23,360
listeners can go to and buy and and

3697
02:12:27,990 --> 02:12:26,000
learn about it and consider and and

3698
02:12:30,310 --> 02:12:28,000
think about

3699
02:12:31,109 --> 02:12:30,320
it's also unfair to talk about it now

3700
02:12:32,790 --> 02:12:31,119
and

3701
02:12:34,790 --> 02:12:32,800
undercut

3702
02:12:35,990 --> 02:12:34,800
the sales process for the publishing

3703
02:12:37,430 --> 02:12:36,000
company who

3704
02:12:40,229 --> 02:12:37,440
wants it to be new material when the new

3705
02:12:42,950 --> 02:12:41,189
and

3706
02:12:45,430 --> 02:12:42,960
so so it's sort of a conundrum i've

3707
02:12:46,830 --> 02:12:45,440
talked with my current editor about it

3708
02:12:49,510 --> 02:12:46,840
and she doesn't really have an answer

3709
02:12:50,950 --> 02:12:49,520
yet um

3710
02:12:52,950 --> 02:12:50,960
my goodness are you kidding me i'll do

3711
02:12:55,109 --> 02:12:52,960
my best to try to try to rush that book

3712
02:12:56,950 --> 02:12:55,119
to find a way to get it out sooner

3713
02:12:58,149 --> 02:12:56,960
rather than later because this is really

3714
02:12:59,750 --> 02:12:58,159
the heart of

3715
02:13:01,510 --> 02:12:59,760
where things go

3716
02:13:04,550 --> 02:13:01,520
well if if your publisher is listening

3717
02:13:06,069 --> 02:13:04,560
you need to release this book like

3718
02:13:08,629 --> 02:13:06,079
yesterday because

3719
02:13:10,629 --> 02:13:08,639
it's essentially you know it's the

3720
02:13:13,750 --> 02:13:10,639
answers to the questions that everyone

3721
02:13:16,709 --> 02:13:13,760
is wondering like you're talking about

3722
02:13:17,990 --> 02:13:16,719
the type of connection

3723
02:13:20,310 --> 02:13:18,000
between

3724
02:13:21,830 --> 02:13:20,320
two worlds that all of these different

3725
02:13:23,990 --> 02:13:21,840
researchers and all these different

3726
02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:24,000
people you know personalities

3727
02:13:27,669 --> 02:13:26,000
or gurus who are appearing at all these

3728
02:13:29,910 --> 02:13:27,679
different symposiums and you know

3729
02:13:31,189 --> 02:13:29,920
conferences all across north america and

3730
02:13:34,310 --> 02:13:31,199
the world

3731
02:13:36,950 --> 02:13:34,320
every single year have been discussing

3732
02:13:38,310 --> 02:13:36,960
but even from for myself and and in my

3733
02:13:40,149 --> 02:13:38,320
own researches and you know my own

3734
02:13:41,350 --> 02:13:40,159
meditations

3735
02:13:42,830 --> 02:13:41,360
know that they're a little bit off the

3736
02:13:46,149 --> 02:13:42,840
mark on things

3737
02:13:48,229 --> 02:13:46,159
um i i've got i have my own theories and

3738
02:13:49,669 --> 02:13:48,239
you know at least let me

3739
02:13:51,750 --> 02:13:49,679
do you mind if i at least put it out

3740
02:13:52,709 --> 02:13:51,760
there and if i'm

3741
02:13:54,470 --> 02:13:52,719
warm

3742
02:13:55,270 --> 02:13:54,480
cold or

3743
02:13:57,350 --> 02:13:55,280
you know

3744
02:14:00,470 --> 02:13:57,360
sub-antarctic let me know if is that

3745
02:14:01,350 --> 02:14:00,480
okay okay okay

3746
02:14:04,069 --> 02:14:01,360
okay

3747
02:14:05,750 --> 02:14:04,079
so essentially and this um

3748
02:14:07,990 --> 02:14:05,760
i think i was still in college when i

3749
02:14:09,830 --> 02:14:08,000
when i came up with it and i may have

3750
02:14:12,790 --> 02:14:09,840
been up for like four days working on

3751
02:14:14,310 --> 02:14:12,800
some finals and and some projects so uh

3752
02:14:15,910 --> 02:14:14,320
for anybody who's been to any

3753
02:14:17,270 --> 02:14:15,920
advertising program you know how tough

3754
02:14:19,030 --> 02:14:17,280
it can be

3755
02:14:20,069 --> 02:14:19,040
and you know i got to thinking about

3756
02:14:21,910 --> 02:14:20,079
stuff

3757
02:14:24,830 --> 02:14:21,920
and the

3758
02:14:26,870 --> 02:14:24,840
idea behind a lot of the esoteric

3759
02:14:28,629 --> 02:14:26,880
teachings at least from my

3760
02:14:30,470 --> 02:14:28,639
interpretation and a lot of the

3761
02:14:33,189 --> 02:14:30,480
symbolism that's used

3762
02:14:35,189 --> 02:14:33,199
is directly related to

3763
02:14:37,189 --> 02:14:35,199
understanding the world around you so

3764
02:14:38,390 --> 02:14:37,199
that you can understand how this

3765
02:14:40,550 --> 02:14:38,400
particular

3766
02:14:43,270 --> 02:14:40,560
universe that's based in the material

3767
02:14:46,149 --> 02:14:43,280
world was formed so then you can then

3768
02:14:47,189 --> 02:14:46,159
harness that energy from

3769
02:14:49,350 --> 02:14:47,199
that

3770
02:14:51,990 --> 02:14:49,360
i'm going to say ether which is talking

3771
02:14:53,589 --> 02:14:52,000
about that the the paired

3772
02:14:55,430 --> 02:14:53,599
non-material universe

3773
02:14:56,870 --> 02:14:55,440
to then manifest

3774
02:14:59,109 --> 02:14:56,880
uh any

3775
02:15:01,589 --> 02:14:59,119
you know anything that you could

3776
02:15:03,109 --> 02:15:01,599
potentially want or need

3777
02:15:04,310 --> 02:15:03,119
um as they say you know the universe

3778
02:15:06,790 --> 02:15:04,320
provides

3779
02:15:08,390 --> 02:15:06,800
that that's um kind of a a trope that is

3780
02:15:10,310 --> 02:15:08,400
thrown around you know very often for

3781
02:15:11,589 --> 02:15:10,320
those who are

3782
02:15:13,589 --> 02:15:11,599
looking for something or in need of

3783
02:15:15,830 --> 02:15:13,599
something and they think positively and

3784
02:15:17,990 --> 02:15:15,840
it just appears type of thing

3785
02:15:19,109 --> 02:15:18,000
but with freemasonry we tend to use a

3786
02:15:21,589 --> 02:15:19,119
lot of

3787
02:15:23,990 --> 02:15:21,599
actions and symbols and a certain way of

3788
02:15:25,669 --> 02:15:24,000
conducting ourselves to try and gain the

3789
02:15:28,470 --> 02:15:25,679
best benefit and it's not just a law of

3790
02:15:29,830 --> 02:15:28,480
attraction it's a matter of trying to

3791
02:15:30,709 --> 02:15:29,840
influence

3792
02:15:32,550 --> 02:15:30,719
the

3793
02:15:35,589 --> 02:15:32,560
universe or our own universe around us

3794
02:15:37,910 --> 02:15:35,599
to kind of emulate the way that our

3795
02:15:39,669 --> 02:15:37,920
universe was formed by this you know

3796
02:15:41,910 --> 02:15:39,679
whether it's a forward god or a fourth

3797
02:15:44,310 --> 02:15:41,920
dimensional intelligence so we can kind

3798
02:15:46,629 --> 02:15:44,320
of mimic that same action from bringing

3799
02:15:47,589 --> 02:15:46,639
chaos into order in our own little

3800
02:15:49,830 --> 02:15:47,599
worlds

3801
02:15:50,870 --> 02:15:49,840
and because of this and because it's so

3802
02:15:53,589 --> 02:15:50,880
powerful

3803
02:15:55,350 --> 02:15:53,599
um this type of knowledge was

3804
02:15:57,270 --> 02:15:55,360
uh taught only to

3805
02:15:59,669 --> 02:15:57,280
you know any and any uh ancient

3806
02:16:01,350 --> 02:15:59,679
civilization that had uh mystery schools

3807
02:16:04,709 --> 02:16:01,360
egypt being for one

3808
02:16:06,709 --> 02:16:04,719
this knowledge was given only to the

3809
02:16:08,310 --> 02:16:06,719
you know those within the priesthood who

3810
02:16:10,229 --> 02:16:08,320
were very high up within the kingdom's

3811
02:16:12,550 --> 02:16:10,239
establishment as well as the the you

3812
02:16:15,350 --> 02:16:12,560
know the kings themselves specifically

3813
02:16:17,109 --> 02:16:15,360
so that they could then rule the kingdom

3814
02:16:18,709 --> 02:16:17,119
properly having a set of rules a set of

3815
02:16:20,790 --> 02:16:18,719
morals that they could you know harness

3816
02:16:22,310 --> 02:16:20,800
that for the benefit of everyone else

3817
02:16:27,270 --> 02:16:22,320
and not just for their own

3818
02:16:31,669 --> 02:16:30,149
how how far off am i

3819
02:16:33,349 --> 02:16:31,679
well i don't disagree with anything

3820
02:16:35,349 --> 02:16:33,359
you've said

3821
02:16:38,070 --> 02:16:35,359
um

3822
02:16:41,990 --> 02:16:38,080
to sort of put you in the mindset

3823
02:16:43,830 --> 02:16:42,000
of how the dogan are thinking about it

3824
02:16:45,910 --> 02:16:43,840
um

3825
02:16:47,349 --> 02:16:45,920
there are two stated intentions for what

3826
02:16:49,830 --> 02:16:47,359
they're trying to accomplish with an

3827
02:16:51,110 --> 02:16:49,840
initiate other than

3828
02:16:53,669 --> 02:16:51,120
basically teaching

3829
02:16:56,150 --> 02:16:53,679
agriculture and as a process of that

3830
02:16:58,950 --> 02:16:56,160
giving them this science tag to it but

3831
02:17:00,389 --> 02:16:58,960
the the larger motives

3832
02:17:01,990 --> 02:17:00,399
are stated as being

3833
02:17:04,950 --> 02:17:02,000
first of all

3834
02:17:08,150 --> 02:17:04,960
to help us understand our true

3835
02:17:09,190 --> 02:17:08,160
relationship to the larger processes of

3836
02:17:12,150 --> 02:17:09,200
creation

3837
02:17:13,030 --> 02:17:12,160
because i think that the idea was that

3838
02:17:14,950 --> 02:17:13,040
if we

3839
02:17:16,549 --> 02:17:14,960
really understood the modern view of

3840
02:17:17,270 --> 02:17:16,559
humanity is

3841
02:17:19,509 --> 02:17:17,280
that

3842
02:17:21,669 --> 02:17:19,519
human society is the culmination of

3843
02:17:22,790 --> 02:17:21,679
processes of creation that this we're

3844
02:17:24,309 --> 02:17:22,800
the end

3845
02:17:26,830 --> 02:17:24,319
and all and be all of where this is

3846
02:17:29,110 --> 02:17:26,840
headed it's us boys we're the

3847
02:17:30,950 --> 02:17:29,120
top they're saying

3848
02:17:32,629 --> 02:17:30,960
no we're not the top we're just another

3849
02:17:35,349 --> 02:17:32,639
step along the ladder here and what part

3850
02:17:37,190 --> 02:17:35,359
of what they're trying to do is

3851
02:17:38,150 --> 02:17:37,200
help us to see that and understand it

3852
02:17:40,070 --> 02:17:38,160
because

3853
02:17:43,589 --> 02:17:40,080
understanding it will change the way

3854
02:17:45,509 --> 02:17:43,599
that we make choices about things

3855
02:17:46,309 --> 02:17:45,519
the second motive

3856
02:17:48,629 --> 02:17:46,319
second thing they're trying to

3857
02:17:49,669 --> 02:17:48,639
accomplish with the initiates

3858
02:17:51,349 --> 02:17:49,679
is

3859
02:17:54,549 --> 02:17:51,359
to help them develop something called

3860
02:17:59,030 --> 02:17:54,559
discriminating knowledge

3861
02:18:01,110 --> 02:17:59,040
essentially the ability to make an

3862
02:18:04,230 --> 02:18:01,120
inference

3863
02:18:07,589 --> 02:18:04,240
to be able to take a set of facts

3864
02:18:12,230 --> 02:18:09,830
move beyond that in sort of a it's sort

3865
02:18:13,669 --> 02:18:12,240
of a light speed an inference is sort of

3866
02:18:15,910 --> 02:18:13,679
electric jump

3867
02:18:17,110 --> 02:18:15,920
uh from fact

3868
02:18:21,190 --> 02:18:17,120
that

3869
02:18:23,429 --> 02:18:21,200
buddhist systems match each other the

3870
02:18:25,669 --> 02:18:23,439
inference is that when they say it was a

3871
02:18:27,190 --> 02:18:25,679
non-human source we have cause to

3872
02:18:30,150 --> 02:18:27,200
believe them

3873
02:18:34,070 --> 02:18:30,160
the inference is hugely more powerful

3874
02:18:38,309 --> 02:18:35,349
discriminating knowledge is where

3875
02:18:39,910 --> 02:18:38,319
they're trying to get us at which is why

3876
02:18:41,990 --> 02:18:39,920
later traditions

3877
02:18:45,270 --> 02:18:42,000
that are centered on concepts of letting

3878
02:18:49,349 --> 02:18:47,349
are completely out of line with what the

3879
02:18:52,070 --> 02:18:49,359
original intention is as i understand it

3880
02:18:54,469 --> 02:18:52,080
because you can't possibly develop

3881
02:18:56,230 --> 02:18:54,479
discriminating knowledge without also

3882
02:18:58,070 --> 02:18:56,240
developing a sense of your own

3883
02:19:00,150 --> 02:18:58,080
importance or a sense of your own

3884
02:19:02,549 --> 02:19:00,160
ability

3885
02:19:04,070 --> 02:19:02,559
ego letting go of ego

3886
02:19:07,669 --> 02:19:04,080
surrendering the ego and basically

3887
02:19:11,349 --> 02:19:09,429
essentially removing yourself from the

3888
02:19:14,150 --> 02:19:11,359
equation

3889
02:19:15,509 --> 02:19:14,160
takes you the opposite direction of what

3890
02:19:18,070 --> 02:19:15,519
the dogan say the purpose of this

3891
02:19:20,790 --> 02:19:18,080
instruction was

3892
02:19:23,910 --> 02:19:20,800
which would be very similar to masonic

3893
02:19:24,870 --> 02:19:23,920
teachings which is to find a due balance

3894
02:19:26,070 --> 02:19:24,880
between

3895
02:19:27,669 --> 02:19:26,080
you know

3896
02:19:30,309 --> 02:19:27,679
several different factors like not to be

3897
02:19:32,230 --> 02:19:30,319
completely intemperate but also not to

3898
02:19:34,309 --> 02:19:32,240
be you know uh um

3899
02:19:36,549 --> 02:19:34,319
well and not not to be the way i can be

3900
02:19:39,349 --> 02:19:36,559
on this show after after several several

3901
02:19:40,150 --> 02:19:39,359
drams of scotch on a on a bat on a good

3902
02:19:42,230 --> 02:19:40,160
night

3903
02:19:44,150 --> 02:19:42,240
uh right but to kind of keep that that

3904
02:19:46,389 --> 02:19:44,160
that middle path as it were so you you

3905
02:19:49,030 --> 02:19:46,399
can have a little bit of everything

3906
02:19:50,870 --> 02:19:49,040
it's it i could be off on that but it's

3907
02:19:51,830 --> 02:19:50,880
very interesting it's a very interesting

3908
02:19:52,870 --> 02:19:51,840
concept

3909
02:19:55,510 --> 02:19:52,880
um

3910
02:19:57,030 --> 02:19:55,520
now it looks as if the esoteric

3911
02:19:59,429 --> 02:19:57,040
tradition was there to keep things

3912
02:20:01,190 --> 02:19:59,439
secret to keep important information

3913
02:20:02,389 --> 02:20:01,200
secret

3914
02:20:05,429 --> 02:20:02,399
um

3915
02:20:07,190 --> 02:20:05,439
but i've come to understand

3916
02:20:08,790 --> 02:20:07,200
that one of the key purposes of the way

3917
02:20:10,309 --> 02:20:08,800
it was structured

3918
02:20:11,830 --> 02:20:10,319
was

3919
02:20:13,910 --> 02:20:11,840
to

3920
02:20:15,590 --> 02:20:13,920
selectively filter

3921
02:20:18,309 --> 02:20:15,600
sincere people

3922
02:20:19,990 --> 02:20:18,319
from insincere ones it's a sieve

3923
02:20:21,510 --> 02:20:20,000
it's separating the instance here from

3924
02:20:24,070 --> 02:20:21,520
the sincere

3925
02:20:26,630 --> 02:20:24,080
and the underlying motive for doing that

3926
02:20:33,030 --> 02:20:31,190
a compelling and urgent requirement for

3927
02:20:34,230 --> 02:20:33,040
a sincere

3928
02:20:39,110 --> 02:20:34,240
um

3929
02:20:39,120 --> 02:20:42,230
i want to say

3930
02:20:46,469 --> 02:20:44,630
not so much partner as a

3931
02:20:49,030 --> 02:20:46,479
a companion

3932
02:20:51,590 --> 02:20:49,040
i would say it's a

3933
02:20:56,870 --> 02:20:54,950
urgent requirement for a sincere partner

3934
02:21:00,309 --> 02:20:56,880
that can be counted on to do

3935
02:21:03,910 --> 02:21:01,590
and

3936
02:21:06,309 --> 02:21:03,920
get that so urgent that it can only be

3937
02:21:08,790 --> 02:21:06,319
trusted to somebody who is truly sincere

3938
02:21:11,349 --> 02:21:08,800
the same kind of urgency as leaving your

3939
02:21:13,270 --> 02:21:11,359
child with a babysitter that

3940
02:21:14,950 --> 02:21:13,280
a discriminating parent understands that

3941
02:21:17,270 --> 02:21:14,960
you can't just leave your child with any

3942
02:21:19,990 --> 02:21:17,280
old person you need to find a person

3943
02:21:22,790 --> 02:21:20,000
that you have confidence in

3944
02:21:23,750 --> 02:21:22,800
is capable and has some judgment

3945
02:21:25,030 --> 02:21:23,760
and

3946
02:21:27,830 --> 02:21:25,040
um

3947
02:21:28,710 --> 02:21:27,840
is not impulsive

3948
02:21:30,790 --> 02:21:28,720
and

3949
02:21:32,790 --> 02:21:30,800
um that has some skills dealing with

3950
02:21:33,990 --> 02:21:32,800
children

3951
02:21:36,389 --> 02:21:34,000
that's a very

3952
02:21:38,630 --> 02:21:36,399
specific set of qualities to try to find

3953
02:21:40,389 --> 02:21:38,640
in a babysitter well the esoteric

3954
02:21:41,830 --> 02:21:40,399
tradition is doing essentially the same

3955
02:21:45,270 --> 02:21:41,840
thing it is

3956
02:21:50,550 --> 02:21:45,280
trying to selectively filter out

3957
02:21:54,070 --> 02:21:51,590
and that

3958
02:21:56,230 --> 02:21:54,080
when you get down to the reasons for why

3959
02:21:58,469 --> 02:21:56,240
that's necessary you get down to the

3960
02:21:59,830 --> 02:21:58,479
underlying motives that are going on in

3961
02:22:04,230 --> 02:21:59,840
the whole system

3962
02:22:05,670 --> 02:22:04,240
and it ends up being a lot more

3963
02:22:07,990 --> 02:22:05,680
of a human

3964
02:22:08,950 --> 02:22:08,000
humanly understanded understandable

3965
02:22:10,950 --> 02:22:08,960
motive

3966
02:22:12,469 --> 02:22:10,960
than any religion i've ever heard tries

3967
02:22:14,469 --> 02:22:12,479
to frame it

3968
02:22:16,469 --> 02:22:14,479
holy [\h__\h]

3969
02:22:18,630 --> 02:22:16,479
sorry sorry you just gave me kind of a

3970
02:22:20,070 --> 02:22:18,640
kind of an epiphany moment

3971
02:22:21,349 --> 02:22:20,080
and

3972
02:22:23,030 --> 02:22:21,359
uh

3973
02:22:27,190 --> 02:22:23,040
let's let's say is that i un

3974
02:22:29,110 --> 02:22:27,200
i have a a fairly good understanding

3975
02:22:31,270 --> 02:22:29,120
of why that could be and again not

3976
02:22:32,790 --> 02:22:31,280
giving away too much as you you know not

3977
02:22:33,990 --> 02:22:32,800
knowing how how deep you want to go into

3978
02:22:35,110 --> 02:22:34,000
it and that would probably spoil the

3979
02:22:37,830 --> 02:22:35,120
whole thing

3980
02:22:39,110 --> 02:22:37,840
um yeah i i actually understand where

3981
02:22:40,469 --> 02:22:39,120
that's coming from

3982
02:22:42,469 --> 02:22:40,479
um

3983
02:22:44,150 --> 02:22:42,479
and i'll i'll say this much like

3984
02:22:45,590 --> 02:22:44,160
freemasonry it's a fraternity and the

3985
02:22:48,230 --> 02:22:45,600
whole idea of

3986
02:22:50,309 --> 02:22:48,240
brotherhood and trust within your

3987
02:22:52,070 --> 02:22:50,319
brother and the fact that you know we we

3988
02:22:53,990 --> 02:22:52,080
say like you give your hands

3989
02:22:55,990 --> 02:22:54,000
uh you know giving your hand to a mason

3990
02:22:57,190 --> 02:22:56,000
is like if you are mason is like giving

3991
02:22:58,870 --> 02:22:57,200
you know you're giving a hand as a

3992
02:23:02,389 --> 02:22:58,880
brother faithfully

3993
02:23:04,469 --> 02:23:02,399
um and we only like we can't

3994
02:23:06,710 --> 02:23:04,479
tell people to like you know advertise

3995
02:23:10,309 --> 02:23:06,720
and say hey you know join masonry we can

3996
02:23:11,429 --> 02:23:10,319
only at most say if we can find the

3997
02:23:12,950 --> 02:23:11,439
certain

3998
02:23:14,630 --> 02:23:12,960
um

3999
02:23:18,550 --> 02:23:14,640
you know qualities of what a freemason

4000
02:23:19,510 --> 02:23:18,560
is we can only suggest that they

4001
02:23:21,030 --> 02:23:19,520
feel like you would make a good

4002
02:23:23,590 --> 02:23:21,040
freemason that's the furthest we can go

4003
02:23:25,750 --> 02:23:23,600
as far as actual advertisement and in

4004
02:23:27,110 --> 02:23:25,760
one of our lectures uh i think it's

4005
02:23:29,910 --> 02:23:27,120
actually during the the installation

4006
02:23:31,670 --> 02:23:29,920
ceremony uh the the last lecture of the

4007
02:23:32,790 --> 02:23:31,680
night is given by usually you know a

4008
02:23:35,349 --> 02:23:32,800
very

4009
02:23:37,429 --> 02:23:35,359
experienced brother and

4010
02:23:39,349 --> 02:23:37,439
it's it's about 15 minutes long all done

4011
02:23:41,910 --> 02:23:39,359
by memory and it essentially lists the

4012
02:23:43,750 --> 02:23:41,920
qualities of a true freemason and what

4013
02:23:45,349 --> 02:23:43,760
you would know to be able to find one

4014
02:23:47,990 --> 02:23:45,359
the interesting part is is that

4015
02:23:50,469 --> 02:23:48,000
freemasonry

4016
02:23:52,870 --> 02:23:50,479
anybody who's a freemason the theme is

4017
02:23:54,710 --> 02:23:52,880
that we are first made masons like you

4018
02:23:56,150 --> 02:23:54,720
know like we're initiated in a lodge

4019
02:23:58,309 --> 02:23:56,160
room we are

4020
02:23:59,429 --> 02:23:58,319
uh you know we take an oath on on a holy

4021
02:24:01,190 --> 02:23:59,439
book whether it's the bible et cetera et

4022
02:24:02,870 --> 02:24:01,200
cetera

4023
02:24:04,150 --> 02:24:02,880
but we always say we're first made

4024
02:24:05,670 --> 02:24:04,160
masons in our heart which means it's

4025
02:24:09,030 --> 02:24:05,680
something inherent within us as

4026
02:24:10,950 --> 02:24:09,040
individuals to seek out that information

4027
02:24:11,910 --> 02:24:10,960
and to seek out that that light that

4028
02:24:12,870 --> 02:24:11,920
knowledge

4029
02:24:14,950 --> 02:24:12,880
and

4030
02:24:16,950 --> 02:24:14,960
from the way that you described kind of

4031
02:24:19,030 --> 02:24:16,960
opened up

4032
02:24:20,710 --> 02:24:19,040
a hell of a lot of doors in terms of my

4033
02:24:23,429 --> 02:24:20,720
understanding of

4034
02:24:24,710 --> 02:24:23,439
what the system is from your perspective

4035
02:24:26,230 --> 02:24:24,720
and

4036
02:24:28,870 --> 02:24:26,240
it's

4037
02:24:32,230 --> 02:24:28,880
i'm going to say if your publishers

4038
02:24:36,790 --> 02:24:32,240
don't publish this book then they either

4039
02:24:39,750 --> 02:24:37,910
well

4040
02:24:41,670 --> 02:24:39,760
as i said i'll probably make one more

4041
02:24:43,429 --> 02:24:41,680
stab at trying to get them to agree to

4042
02:24:45,750 --> 02:24:43,439
let me come over and make a presentation

4043
02:24:48,710 --> 02:24:45,760
to them about the material in the book

4044
02:24:51,190 --> 02:24:48,720
um the information the way of getting to

4045
02:24:53,990 --> 02:24:51,200
the material is complex enough

4046
02:24:54,710 --> 02:24:54,000
that i felt like i had to create sort of

4047
02:25:27,429 --> 02:24:54,720
a

4048
02:25:29,750 --> 02:25:27,439
but

4049
02:25:31,990 --> 02:25:29,760
it requires him to take at least a step

4050
02:25:33,910 --> 02:25:32,000
outside of his comfort zone in order to

4051
02:25:35,590 --> 02:25:33,920
get it

4052
02:25:37,270 --> 02:25:35,600
i know there's a

4053
02:25:40,630 --> 02:25:37,280
islamic tradition called the bridge of

4054
02:25:42,150 --> 02:25:40,640
syrah the idea uh years ago john anthony

4055
02:25:43,190 --> 02:25:42,160
west actually sent me an email he said

4056
02:25:45,110 --> 02:25:43,200
you know there's a name for what you're

4057
02:25:48,389 --> 02:25:45,120
doing it comes out of islam it's called

4058
02:25:50,150 --> 02:25:48,399
the bridge of syrah and schwaller lupitz

4059
02:25:52,469 --> 02:25:50,160
wrote a chapter about it in one of his

4060
02:25:54,309 --> 02:25:52,479
books sacrificing sacred science

4061
02:25:56,710 --> 02:25:54,319
um the idea is

4062
02:25:59,750 --> 02:25:56,720
that the truth will be found ultimately

4063
02:26:02,230 --> 02:25:59,760
to lie on a razor's edge between

4064
02:26:04,710 --> 02:26:02,240
two chasms one that represents science

4065
02:26:07,030 --> 02:26:04,720
and one that represents superstition

4066
02:26:08,389 --> 02:26:07,040
and the upshot of it is that it doesn't

4067
02:26:10,070 --> 02:26:08,399
matter what perspective you're coming

4068
02:26:11,510 --> 02:26:10,080
out of this material from

4069
02:26:13,190 --> 02:26:11,520
chances are you're gonna have to take a

4070
02:26:15,750 --> 02:26:13,200
step outside of your comfort zone to be

4071
02:26:18,710 --> 02:26:15,760
able to get out what's really true

4072
02:26:19,510 --> 02:26:18,720
now i've got uh um people in the chat

4073
02:26:21,190 --> 02:26:19,520
room

4074
02:26:23,110 --> 02:26:21,200
who are

4075
02:26:24,469 --> 02:26:23,120
asking for the publisher's contact

4076
02:26:27,750 --> 02:26:24,479
information so that they can write and

4077
02:26:31,349 --> 02:26:29,590
okay well i'm working for inner

4078
02:26:36,950 --> 02:26:31,359
traditions

4079
02:26:41,830 --> 02:26:38,710
contact tab there or you could write to

4080
02:26:43,590 --> 02:26:41,840
publicity at innertraditions.com

4081
02:26:44,550 --> 02:26:43,600
and that would get to the woman who does

4082
02:26:46,070 --> 02:26:44,560
the

4083
02:26:49,990 --> 02:26:46,080
publicizing of

4084
02:26:53,270 --> 02:26:50,000
of the books um

4085
02:26:54,389 --> 02:26:53,280
and uh ibrahim ibrahim is uh just uh

4086
02:26:56,630 --> 02:26:54,399
chiming in

4087
02:26:58,630 --> 02:26:56,640
and he asked me to let you know that the

4088
02:27:01,110 --> 02:26:58,640
name of it is

4089
02:27:03,270 --> 02:27:01,120
i said am i am i um

4090
02:27:06,550 --> 02:27:03,280
pronouncing that correctly

4091
02:27:10,309 --> 02:27:08,710
it depends on the

4092
02:27:12,790 --> 02:27:10,319
on the tradition you're working from one

4093
02:27:15,110 --> 02:27:12,800
of the things the dogen have done for us

4094
02:27:17,110 --> 02:27:15,120
is they've done a good job

4095
02:27:19,270 --> 02:27:17,120
of preserving what i call the root

4096
02:27:21,270 --> 02:27:19,280
phonemes this is originally an oral

4097
02:27:23,670 --> 02:27:21,280
tradition and the meanings of words

4098
02:27:26,070 --> 02:27:23,680
depends on the phonetic values of the

4099
02:27:27,670 --> 02:27:26,080
words when i wrote the maori book by the

4100
02:27:28,950 --> 02:27:27,680
time i wrote it i know enough about how

4101
02:27:30,870 --> 02:27:28,960
phonetics work

4102
02:27:32,469 --> 02:27:30,880
that i could predict from the way that

4103
02:27:34,870 --> 02:27:32,479
maori pronounced their word what the

4104
02:27:36,230 --> 02:27:34,880
concept was going to be

4105
02:27:38,790 --> 02:27:36,240
so

4106
02:27:41,270 --> 02:27:38,800
i have a dogan perspective on

4107
02:27:44,469 --> 02:27:41,280
what the phonetic originally was i have

4108
02:27:46,070 --> 02:27:44,479
an egyptian perspective on how it might

4109
02:27:47,830 --> 02:27:46,080
have morphed a little bit each culture

4110
02:27:50,710 --> 02:27:47,840
has its own take on it and so there's

4111
02:27:51,510 --> 02:27:50,720
some wiggle room in pronunciations uh

4112
02:27:58,389 --> 02:27:51,520
there's

4113
02:28:00,950 --> 02:27:58,399
that can be pronounced two different

4114
02:28:01,990 --> 02:28:00,960
ways depending on the circumstance

4115
02:28:03,910 --> 02:28:02,000
and

4116
02:28:06,710 --> 02:28:03,920
if you twist this back far enough you

4117
02:28:08,150 --> 02:28:06,720
see that one of the pronunciations like

4118
02:28:12,230 --> 02:28:08,160
there are p's that can pronounce that

4119
02:28:14,550 --> 02:28:12,240
pronounced as an f for say or a complex

4120
02:28:15,910 --> 02:28:14,560
ch sound that might be pronounced like a

4121
02:28:19,750 --> 02:28:15,920
an h or like

4122
02:28:24,309 --> 02:28:22,389
if you act far enough you see that

4123
02:28:25,750 --> 02:28:24,319
certain of these pronunciations survived

4124
02:28:28,870 --> 02:28:25,760
in one culture and different

4125
02:28:30,950 --> 02:28:28,880
pronunciation in another culture and so

4126
02:28:33,750 --> 02:28:30,960
um it would be as if

4127
02:28:35,270 --> 02:28:33,760
uh banana were written with a k in one

4128
02:28:36,710 --> 02:28:35,280
culture and you didn't realize you

4129
02:28:39,590 --> 02:28:36,720
looked at the words that it was the same

4130
02:28:41,429 --> 02:28:39,600
word unless you happen to know the bees

4131
02:28:43,270 --> 02:28:41,439
could be a k

4132
02:28:45,670 --> 02:28:43,280
that's the way this works so that you

4133
02:28:49,830 --> 02:28:45,680
have a word for elephant in some

4134
02:28:51,110 --> 02:28:49,840
traditions that's pronounced peel or

4135
02:28:53,110 --> 02:28:51,120
pilu

4136
02:28:55,990 --> 02:28:53,120
but in other cultures it pronounced feel

4137
02:28:58,150 --> 02:28:56,000
or feel it or feeling

4138
02:29:00,070 --> 02:28:58,160
these are all the same word but unless

4139
02:29:01,750 --> 02:29:00,080
you have a perspective on the way that

4140
02:29:02,790 --> 02:29:01,760
the languages interface with each other

4141
02:29:04,469 --> 02:29:02,800
you don't

4142
02:29:07,270 --> 02:29:04,479
automatically understand it's the same

4143
02:29:12,070 --> 02:29:09,110
when you get to the root phonemes the

4144
02:29:14,870 --> 02:29:12,080
phoneme is sira for a reason

4145
02:29:17,590 --> 02:29:14,880
in islam it's given as s-i-r-a-h it's

4146
02:29:20,070 --> 02:29:17,600
interesting that um when john sent me

4147
02:29:21,270 --> 02:29:20,080
that email i wrote him back i to thank

4148
02:29:23,510 --> 02:29:21,280
him because

4149
02:29:25,750 --> 02:29:23,520
he didn't know it but when our daughter

4150
02:29:27,830 --> 02:29:25,760
hannah was a young girl

4151
02:29:29,830 --> 02:29:27,840
about three years old before she could

4152
02:29:32,230 --> 02:29:29,840
read or write but she knew some of her

4153
02:29:33,510 --> 02:29:32,240
letters but she's always tried to to be

4154
02:29:34,550 --> 02:29:33,520
an artist and actually pretty good

4155
02:29:37,110 --> 02:29:34,560
artist

4156
02:29:39,270 --> 02:29:37,120
she drew a picture of me

4157
02:29:41,670 --> 02:29:39,280
and what she said with me and it sort of

4158
02:29:43,990 --> 02:29:41,680
resembles me but at the top using the

4159
02:29:46,630 --> 02:29:44,000
letters that she did know she wrote what

4160
02:29:48,070 --> 02:29:46,640
she insisted was my name and i said

4161
02:29:50,070 --> 02:29:48,080
actually that's not my name and she said

4162
02:29:53,590 --> 02:29:50,080
no that's your name and what she'd

4163
02:29:55,190 --> 02:29:53,600
written was s-i-r-a-h

4164
02:29:56,870 --> 02:29:55,200
and i took a photocopier and said it to

4165
02:30:01,910 --> 02:29:56,880
john that's part of the thank you saying

4166
02:30:06,550 --> 02:30:04,790
part of the history of all this stuff is

4167
02:30:08,710 --> 02:30:06,560
the progression of books tend to play

4168
02:30:10,710 --> 02:30:08,720
out in relation to things that connect

4169
02:30:13,750 --> 02:30:10,720
to me i didn't know until after i wrote

4170
02:30:15,670 --> 02:30:13,760
the first book i had a very unusual

4171
02:30:16,870 --> 02:30:15,680
meeting with a

4172
02:30:18,389 --> 02:30:16,880
spiritual

4173
02:30:21,349 --> 02:30:18,399
guy um

4174
02:30:24,870 --> 02:30:21,359
how can i say advisor of of a person who

4175
02:30:27,030 --> 02:30:24,880
was acquainted through john west

4176
02:30:29,110 --> 02:30:27,040
that the meeting was designed to

4177
02:30:33,190 --> 02:30:29,120
illustrate to me that the things i was

4178
02:30:34,870 --> 02:30:33,200
writing about connect back to me but

4179
02:30:36,870 --> 02:30:34,880
arranged through questions and answers

4180
02:30:40,710 --> 02:30:36,880
so that it was my answer that gave the

4181
02:30:44,950 --> 02:30:43,349
weird stuff i'll give you an example

4182
02:30:46,870 --> 02:30:44,960
i was asked

4183
02:30:49,110 --> 02:30:46,880
describe your marriage and i said well

4184
02:30:51,590 --> 02:30:49,120
i've always considered our rhesus in my

4185
02:30:54,469 --> 02:30:51,600
marriage to be a large overlap of two

4186
02:30:56,389 --> 02:30:54,479
circles and i held up my two

4187
02:30:57,990 --> 02:30:56,399
thumb and four fingers in circles

4188
02:30:58,830 --> 02:30:58,000
overlapping each other

4189
02:31:01,750 --> 02:30:58,840
and

4190
02:31:03,270 --> 02:31:01,760
the person was interviewing me said do

4191
02:31:05,030 --> 02:31:03,280
you know that that's a symbol that's

4192
02:31:08,309 --> 02:31:05,040
called the vesica pisces it's a symbol

4193
02:31:10,070 --> 02:31:08,319
that's important to what you study

4194
02:31:11,590 --> 02:31:10,080
and even

4195
02:31:14,710 --> 02:31:11,600
well that's

4196
02:31:16,230 --> 02:31:14,720
i have to say from from a relationship

4197
02:31:17,750 --> 02:31:16,240
standpoint like my wife and i have been

4198
02:31:19,270 --> 02:31:17,760
married coming like we've been together

4199
02:31:20,550 --> 02:31:19,280
for four years we're coming on to our

4200
02:31:23,510 --> 02:31:20,560
one year anniversary in the middle of

4201
02:31:24,309 --> 02:31:23,520
july or actually the end of july

4202
02:31:27,110 --> 02:31:24,319
and

4203
02:31:29,110 --> 02:31:27,120
it's like i see um you know individuals

4204
02:31:31,270 --> 02:31:29,120
that i've conversed with and and i have

4205
02:31:33,990 --> 02:31:31,280
a great respect for from an academic

4206
02:31:36,150 --> 02:31:34,000
level and having interactions with their

4207
02:31:36,950 --> 02:31:36,160
families such as uh you know risa with

4208
02:31:39,270 --> 02:31:36,960
you

4209
02:31:40,550 --> 02:31:39,280
and uh with uh shock and his wife and

4210
02:31:42,550 --> 02:31:40,560
and seeing the

4211
02:31:44,790 --> 02:31:42,560
um you know the individuals being in

4212
02:31:48,070 --> 02:31:44,800
such lockstep for such an extended

4213
02:31:49,670 --> 02:31:48,080
period of time and being able to

4214
02:31:51,270 --> 02:31:49,680
have this this

4215
02:31:55,349 --> 02:31:51,280
um

4216
02:31:58,230 --> 02:31:57,349
deeper care you know like there's there

4217
02:32:00,309 --> 02:31:58,240
is a

4218
02:32:02,389 --> 02:32:00,319
a type of

4219
02:32:04,070 --> 02:32:02,399
understanding and partnership that goes

4220
02:32:06,950 --> 02:32:04,080
beyond what you would see out in

4221
02:32:10,070 --> 02:32:06,960
hollywood and it's it's not only

4222
02:32:11,910 --> 02:32:10,080
goes to show the information that you

4223
02:32:14,389 --> 02:32:11,920
are gleaning from all of these ancient

4224
02:32:17,270 --> 02:32:14,399
sources uh could potentially be changing

4225
02:32:19,990 --> 02:32:17,280
your you know perspective on on a lot of

4226
02:32:22,150 --> 02:32:20,000
things especially human interaction and

4227
02:32:23,670 --> 02:32:22,160
um you know how to how you look at the

4228
02:32:25,110 --> 02:32:23,680
world better which helps you understand

4229
02:32:26,710 --> 02:32:25,120
people better but it's also an

4230
02:32:27,990 --> 02:32:26,720
inspiration for individuals like myself

4231
02:32:29,590 --> 02:32:28,000
who are newly married to say like yeah

4232
02:32:31,349 --> 02:32:29,600
that's what i want to be like you know

4233
02:32:33,349 --> 02:32:31,359
with my wife in in

4234
02:32:35,590 --> 02:32:33,359
you know 20 30 years

4235
02:32:37,590 --> 02:32:35,600
and the

4236
02:32:39,030 --> 02:32:37,600
so again you know thank you thank you

4237
02:32:41,110 --> 02:32:39,040
for that and thank you for farisa for

4238
02:32:43,110 --> 02:32:41,120
for helping out and promote the show

4239
02:32:44,870 --> 02:32:43,120
that was absolutely

4240
02:32:47,670 --> 02:32:44,880
fantastic

4241
02:32:49,349 --> 02:32:47,680
now i i know that so so these this

4242
02:32:51,270 --> 02:32:49,359
progression of terms gets closer and

4243
02:32:53,910 --> 02:32:51,280
closer as the books go on until we hit

4244
02:32:56,309 --> 02:32:53,920
the scarab ray book and scarab ray when

4245
02:32:58,790 --> 02:32:56,319
it was uncovered by a series of storms

4246
02:33:01,110 --> 02:32:58,800
that hit orkney island back in 1850

4247
02:33:05,360 --> 02:33:01,120
was sitting on the land of the gentleman

4248
02:33:06,630 --> 02:33:05,370
known as the laird of scale

4249
02:33:08,070 --> 02:33:06,640
[Music]

4250
02:33:14,469 --> 02:33:08,080
okay

4251
02:33:16,230 --> 02:33:14,479
there are symbolic reasons why syrah is

4252
02:33:18,070 --> 02:33:16,240
the name

4253
02:33:21,270 --> 02:33:18,080
those

4254
02:33:23,830 --> 02:33:21,280
phonemes have um

4255
02:33:25,990 --> 02:33:23,840
meanings connected to them that

4256
02:33:28,469 --> 02:33:26,000
that are essential to understanding a

4257
02:33:29,990 --> 02:33:28,479
piece of this that sort of lock them

4258
02:33:30,790 --> 02:33:30,000
into place in the way that they are and

4259
02:33:31,590 --> 02:33:30,800
so

4260
02:33:33,110 --> 02:33:31,600
um

4261
02:33:35,349 --> 02:33:33,120
that's that's the value of a lot of the

4262
02:33:37,510 --> 02:33:35,359
and stuff is that it that triangulates

4263
02:33:39,590 --> 02:33:37,520
in on something so that it can't it

4264
02:33:42,309 --> 02:33:39,600
can't really not be what the dogan is

4265
02:33:44,150 --> 02:33:42,319
saying that it is even though it appears

4266
02:33:45,349 --> 02:33:44,160
inside of different forms of other

4267
02:33:46,389 --> 02:33:45,359
traditions

4268
02:33:48,870 --> 02:33:46,399
that

4269
02:33:50,550 --> 02:33:48,880
my instinct is always to trust

4270
02:33:52,230 --> 02:33:50,560
the dogan represented

4271
02:33:54,309 --> 02:33:52,240
representation of it first because

4272
02:33:56,630 --> 02:33:54,319
they're most consistently

4273
02:33:58,389 --> 02:33:56,640
right about this stuff um their stuff

4274
02:34:01,270 --> 02:33:58,399
checks out when we triangulate it comes

4275
02:34:03,110 --> 02:34:01,280
back to the dog and stuff

4276
02:34:04,469 --> 02:34:03,120
now i appreciate this the second

4277
02:34:05,990 --> 02:34:04,479
pronunciation

4278
02:34:08,070 --> 02:34:06,000
um

4279
02:34:10,950 --> 02:34:08,080
for my working purposes i have to have

4280
02:34:13,910 --> 02:34:10,960
to deal with it as um sierra

4281
02:34:15,750 --> 02:34:13,920
i had a physicist i was working with um

4282
02:34:18,790 --> 02:34:15,760
and i was talking with him about some

4283
02:34:19,750 --> 02:34:18,800
fundamental concepts of physics and

4284
02:34:21,910 --> 02:34:19,760
um

4285
02:34:24,150 --> 02:34:21,920
he wrote me back and he said you know

4286
02:34:25,830 --> 02:34:24,160
no credible physicist believes such and

4287
02:34:27,510 --> 02:34:25,840
such and such and such the things that i

4288
02:34:28,950 --> 02:34:27,520
was telling him

4289
02:34:31,270 --> 02:34:28,960
and i wrote him back and i said i

4290
02:34:34,469 --> 02:34:31,280
understand that

4291
02:34:36,710 --> 02:34:34,479
you realize that the position i'm in is

4292
02:34:39,510 --> 02:34:36,720
i need to faithfully follow where this

4293
02:34:40,870 --> 02:34:39,520
set of symbolic information leads

4294
02:34:44,230 --> 02:34:40,880
and

4295
02:34:45,830 --> 02:34:44,240
might lead me to a place that i can't

4296
02:34:47,349 --> 02:34:45,840
prove is right

4297
02:34:49,190 --> 02:34:47,359
and even understanding that it might

4298
02:34:51,990 --> 02:34:49,200
lead me to a place that flatly isn't

4299
02:34:53,670 --> 02:34:52,000
right i still have to pursue it

4300
02:34:54,870 --> 02:34:53,680
faithfully based on what they're telling

4301
02:34:56,230 --> 02:34:54,880
me

4302
02:34:58,550 --> 02:34:56,240
and so

4303
02:35:01,110 --> 02:34:58,560
i respect the answer back that that he

4304
02:35:02,790 --> 02:35:01,120
doesn't believe certain things

4305
02:35:05,110 --> 02:35:02,800
but i still have to

4306
02:35:07,270 --> 02:35:05,120
handle it as if it's the truth

4307
02:35:09,349 --> 02:35:07,280
have you looked into um

4308
02:35:10,870 --> 02:35:09,359
the connections to syrah wine also known

4309
02:35:13,510 --> 02:35:10,880
as shiraz

4310
02:35:15,630 --> 02:35:13,520
which is the kind of weird pronunciation

4311
02:35:19,429 --> 02:35:15,640
it's actually syrah which can be

4312
02:35:20,550 --> 02:35:19,439
s-i-r-a-h or s-y-r-a-h

4313
02:35:23,750 --> 02:35:20,560
right

4314
02:35:26,550 --> 02:35:23,760
connections but there's a chance there

4315
02:35:30,230 --> 02:35:26,560
is um depends on how bad how far back

4316
02:35:32,309 --> 02:35:30,240
the name goes um before

4317
02:35:34,790 --> 02:35:32,319
before written language

4318
02:35:36,790 --> 02:35:34,800
similarity of words implies a

4319
02:35:38,230 --> 02:35:36,800
relationship even

4320
02:35:39,510 --> 02:35:38,240
there's a book called priests of ancient

4321
02:35:41,030 --> 02:35:39,520
egypt by

4322
02:35:44,150 --> 02:35:41,040
a ser

4323
02:35:46,469 --> 02:35:44,160
sonoran who says that in all eras of

4324
02:35:49,110 --> 02:35:46,479
egyptian culture it was understood

4325
02:35:49,910 --> 02:35:49,120
by the priests the egyptian priests

4326
02:35:51,670 --> 02:35:49,920
that

4327
02:35:53,590 --> 02:35:51,680
any outward resemblance between two

4328
02:35:54,389 --> 02:35:53,600
words implied a relationship between

4329
02:35:55,190 --> 02:35:54,399
them

4330
02:35:59,830 --> 02:35:55,200
so

4331
02:36:01,190 --> 02:35:59,840
back far enough that's enough to tell me

4332
02:36:03,190 --> 02:36:01,200
there's likely a relationship to the

4333
02:36:04,150 --> 02:36:03,200
stuff i'm studying

4334
02:36:05,750 --> 02:36:04,160
you know that

4335
02:36:08,230 --> 02:36:05,760
this is one of the reasons why i love

4336
02:36:10,550 --> 02:36:08,240
this field because you know you you have

4337
02:36:11,429 --> 02:36:10,560
it's not just like with uh ufology which

4338
02:36:14,230 --> 02:36:11,439
is still

4339
02:36:16,309 --> 02:36:14,240
a very noble field but we're talking 70

4340
02:36:18,469 --> 02:36:16,319
years worth of research

4341
02:36:19,990 --> 02:36:18,479
uh with some cases depending on the

4342
02:36:22,710 --> 02:36:20,000
petroglyph you want to you know some

4343
02:36:25,349 --> 02:36:22,720
people want to try and and interpret

4344
02:36:27,429 --> 02:36:25,359
but we we have consistencies over

4345
02:36:29,190 --> 02:36:27,439
you know 12 thousand years of history if

4346
02:36:31,670 --> 02:36:29,200
not longer if you want to go to some of

4347
02:36:33,270 --> 02:36:31,680
the more ancient petroglyphs um

4348
02:36:36,389 --> 02:36:33,280
there's actually pertinent to some of

4349
02:36:37,270 --> 02:36:36,399
the stuff to the ufology stuff and uh

4350
02:36:39,270 --> 02:36:37,280
that's

4351
02:36:41,270 --> 02:36:39,280
uh facilitated the connection between me

4352
02:36:43,670 --> 02:36:41,280
and do you know who whitley strieber is

4353
02:36:45,030 --> 02:36:43,680
oh yeah i know who the stripper is

4354
02:36:46,469 --> 02:36:45,040
yeah he um

4355
02:36:47,830 --> 02:36:46,479
he's interviewed me a couple of times in

4356
02:36:49,990 --> 02:36:47,840
the last month

4357
02:36:51,830 --> 02:36:50,000
um

4358
02:36:53,670 --> 02:36:51,840
uh there's some very essential stuff

4359
02:36:55,110 --> 02:36:53,680
here that pertains to him i had been

4360
02:36:56,950 --> 02:36:55,120
trying to reach him for a period of time

4361
02:36:58,550 --> 02:36:56,960
and then he ended up reaching out to me

4362
02:36:59,830 --> 02:36:58,560
instead so

4363
02:37:01,510 --> 02:36:59,840
but there's overlap i've been i've

4364
02:37:03,429 --> 02:37:01,520
spoken to buffon groups and things like

4365
02:37:07,110 --> 02:37:03,439
that

4366
02:37:10,469 --> 02:37:07,120
and are are you able to to go into any

4367
02:37:12,950 --> 02:37:10,479
uh depth or shallowness uh regarding the

4368
02:37:14,950 --> 02:37:12,960
connections between go back to tepe and

4369
02:37:18,150 --> 02:37:14,960
what you found in uh

4370
02:37:19,750 --> 02:37:18,160
uh at easter island

4371
02:37:21,990 --> 02:37:19,760
um actually i haven't been to easter

4372
02:37:24,070 --> 02:37:22,000
island uh shock is the one who robert

4373
02:37:26,070 --> 02:37:24,080
chuck is the one whose focus has been on

4374
02:37:27,510 --> 02:37:26,080
easter island but

4375
02:37:29,110 --> 02:37:27,520
the maori book that i have at the

4376
02:37:31,030 --> 02:37:29,120
publisher right now

4377
02:37:33,510 --> 02:37:31,040
pretty much makes the connection to paul

4378
02:37:35,830 --> 02:37:33,520
nisha as a whole that the

4379
02:37:38,070 --> 02:37:35,840
dictionary i was working from that makes

4380
02:37:41,429 --> 02:37:38,080
all the connections is a comparative

4381
02:37:43,270 --> 02:37:41,439
maori polynesian dictionary all many of

4382
02:37:45,190 --> 02:37:43,280
the words are

4383
02:37:47,510 --> 02:37:45,200
the vast majority of words are the same

4384
02:37:49,910 --> 02:37:47,520
or very similar in all the polynesian

4385
02:37:51,910 --> 02:37:49,920
cultures so pretty much everything i'm

4386
02:37:54,870 --> 02:37:51,920
saying about the maori probably also

4387
02:37:56,150 --> 02:37:54,880
applies to any major polynesian ancient

4388
02:37:57,750 --> 02:37:56,160
culture

4389
02:37:59,990 --> 02:37:57,760
and i know that the last time we had

4390
02:38:02,070 --> 02:38:00,000
john michael greer on here he had

4391
02:38:04,230 --> 02:38:02,080
mentioned i think i actually uh facebook

4392
02:38:05,990 --> 02:38:04,240
messaged you during that show

4393
02:38:07,590 --> 02:38:06,000
to give you a heads up i was going to

4394
02:38:09,910 --> 02:38:07,600
send you this information

4395
02:38:12,469 --> 02:38:09,920
uh that apparently there is supposed to

4396
02:38:14,070 --> 02:38:12,479
be a correlation between the script

4397
02:38:16,950 --> 02:38:14,080
found at easter island and that found in

4398
02:38:20,870 --> 02:38:18,389
there might very well be i know that

4399
02:38:23,349 --> 02:38:20,880
their connections to the tamil

4400
02:38:25,590 --> 02:38:23,359
um in new zealand

4401
02:38:27,190 --> 02:38:25,600
and the tamil are one of the connecting

4402
02:38:29,190 --> 02:38:27,200
pieces between for me or one of the

4403
02:38:30,150 --> 02:38:29,200
connecting pieces between go back to

4404
02:38:32,630 --> 02:38:30,160
tepe

4405
02:38:34,870 --> 02:38:32,640
and the traditions in india the tamil

4406
02:38:37,670 --> 02:38:34,880
are some of the preservers of the shakti

4407
02:38:39,030 --> 02:38:37,680
cult that makes that connection um

4408
02:38:42,469 --> 02:38:39,040
that was actually a point of connection

4409
02:38:44,950 --> 02:38:42,479
for me and um santa hanka who is graham

4410
02:38:48,950 --> 02:38:44,960
hancock's lovely wife

4411
02:38:50,469 --> 02:38:48,960
um because her family is tamiya

4412
02:38:52,630 --> 02:38:50,479
and

4413
02:38:55,510 --> 02:38:52,640
what how how does this lead into history

4414
02:38:56,550 --> 02:38:55,520
uh of the the traditional histories of

4415
02:38:57,910 --> 02:38:56,560
uh

4416
02:39:00,550 --> 02:38:57,920
i always try and lead everything into

4417
02:39:01,750 --> 02:39:00,560
atlantis that's one of the reasons i i

4418
02:39:03,990 --> 02:39:01,760
started this show was like we have to

4419
02:39:05,590 --> 02:39:04,000
find atlantis that's one of our missions

4420
02:39:07,590 --> 02:39:05,600
um yeah

4421
02:39:09,190 --> 02:39:07,600
how does this lead into to that type of

4422
02:39:10,870 --> 02:39:09,200
mythological history you know some

4423
02:39:12,950 --> 02:39:10,880
people claim it was

4424
02:39:15,110 --> 02:39:12,960
a couple hundred bc they'll they'll lead

4425
02:39:16,309 --> 02:39:15,120
it to the fall of the

4426
02:39:17,910 --> 02:39:16,319
um

4427
02:39:20,389 --> 02:39:17,920
you know the fall of the mediterranean

4428
02:39:22,790 --> 02:39:20,399
cultures and then you'll have uh

4429
02:39:25,270 --> 02:39:22,800
researchers like randall carlson who

4430
02:39:27,030 --> 02:39:25,280
won't necessarily outright say this was

4431
02:39:29,429 --> 02:39:27,040
atlantis but he can give very good

4432
02:39:31,429 --> 02:39:29,439
rationales based on

4433
02:39:34,150 --> 02:39:31,439
ice age

4434
02:39:37,190 --> 02:39:34,160
pressures of ice sheets which can

4435
02:39:39,670 --> 02:39:37,200
push up parts of tectonic plates which

4436
02:39:40,950 --> 02:39:39,680
through ice city will uh create what

4437
02:39:43,830 --> 02:39:40,960
could have created

4438
02:39:45,030 --> 02:39:43,840
12 000 13 000 years ago or older uh you

4439
02:39:47,349 --> 02:39:45,040
know a chain of islands in the middle of

4440
02:39:49,670 --> 02:39:47,359
the atlantic for instance uh knowing

4441
02:39:53,270 --> 02:39:49,680
that the egyptians themselves you know

4442
02:39:55,750 --> 02:39:53,280
the uh idea of zeptepi the first time

4443
02:39:57,670 --> 02:39:55,760
that their entire culture had come from

4444
02:39:59,270 --> 02:39:57,680
the east over you know over the great

4445
02:40:02,070 --> 02:39:59,280
body of water

4446
02:40:04,230 --> 02:40:02,080
and even with tamil traditions uh having

4447
02:40:05,349 --> 02:40:04,240
uh foundations of a lost uh lost

4448
02:40:06,469 --> 02:40:05,359
continent in the middle of the pacific

4449
02:40:08,950 --> 02:40:06,479
and then you have

4450
02:40:10,950 --> 02:40:08,960
uh the uh loss of sunderland

4451
02:40:13,349 --> 02:40:10,960
um during the end of the last ice age

4452
02:40:15,590 --> 02:40:13,359
with you know that entire uh

4453
02:40:17,670 --> 02:40:15,600
part of the continent going under around

4454
02:40:19,910 --> 02:40:17,680
uh phil the philippines and indonesia

4455
02:40:21,429 --> 02:40:19,920
and then you have island you know uh

4456
02:40:23,830 --> 02:40:21,439
churchwards

4457
02:40:25,590 --> 02:40:23,840
research into moo which apparently was

4458
02:40:27,429 --> 02:40:25,600
in the pacific

4459
02:40:28,710 --> 02:40:27,439
what are what are your thoughts on on

4460
02:40:33,590 --> 02:40:28,720
all of these

4461
02:40:36,150 --> 02:40:33,600
theories

4462
02:40:38,550 --> 02:40:36,160
there are hints of all of that in the

4463
02:40:39,510 --> 02:40:38,560
traditions i study

4464
02:40:41,910 --> 02:40:39,520
as an

4465
02:40:43,910 --> 02:40:41,920
example where the the egyptians talk

4466
02:40:46,309 --> 02:40:43,920
about a first time

4467
02:40:48,950 --> 02:40:46,319
and the buddhists talk about the first

4468
02:40:50,309 --> 02:40:48,960
time a buddha passed knowledge to

4469
02:40:52,150 --> 02:40:50,319
humanity

4470
02:40:55,750 --> 02:40:52,160
the dogan talked about a time when

4471
02:40:58,630 --> 02:40:55,760
humanity was restored to culture

4472
02:41:01,670 --> 02:40:58,640
so the dogan perspective implies

4473
02:41:03,990 --> 02:41:01,680
that there was high culture before

4474
02:41:05,990 --> 02:41:04,000
this go back to tepe era

4475
02:41:07,349 --> 02:41:06,000
the second thing is

4476
02:41:09,910 --> 02:41:07,359
that

4477
02:41:13,429 --> 02:41:09,920
the word for ancestor in the languages

4478
02:41:16,710 --> 02:41:13,439
of some of these cultures the bombard

4479
02:41:21,590 --> 02:41:18,389
in tibet and china

4480
02:41:23,270 --> 02:41:21,600
and a couple of others is mu

4481
02:41:25,110 --> 02:41:23,280
now

4482
02:41:26,790 --> 02:41:25,120
that leaves an open question as to

4483
02:41:28,469 --> 02:41:26,800
whether

4484
02:41:30,309 --> 02:41:28,479
the tradition that there was a place

4485
02:41:32,150 --> 02:41:30,319
called mood that was

4486
02:41:34,309 --> 02:41:32,160
ancient ancestors

4487
02:41:36,870 --> 02:41:34,319
came out of that word the existence of

4488
02:41:39,510 --> 02:41:36,880
that word or whether the word came out

4489
02:41:42,830 --> 02:41:39,520
of the existence of those ancestors

4490
02:41:45,830 --> 02:41:42,840
it's a chicken and egg situation

4491
02:41:47,270 --> 02:41:45,840
however just as i have

4492
02:41:50,150 --> 02:41:47,280
the book of the publisher now about the

4493
02:41:52,389 --> 02:41:50,160
maori the follow-on manuscript that is

4494
02:41:55,190 --> 02:41:52,399
essentially done that gets to these

4495
02:41:57,830 --> 02:41:55,200
primordial subjects of matter

4496
02:41:59,110 --> 02:41:57,840
there's also material for a book beyond

4497
02:42:03,990 --> 02:41:59,120
that one

4498
02:42:08,630 --> 02:42:06,950
and in some fairly compelling ways

4499
02:42:10,790 --> 02:42:08,640
whether or not

4500
02:42:12,790 --> 02:42:10,800
that book will actually end up seeing

4501
02:42:15,349 --> 02:42:12,800
publication i'm not sure there

4502
02:42:16,870 --> 02:42:15,359
are some reasons i'm weighing

4503
02:42:19,830 --> 02:42:16,880
when i first started into this and i

4504
02:42:21,910 --> 02:42:19,840
realized that dogan were talking about

4505
02:42:24,309 --> 02:42:21,920
things that other cultures had worked

4506
02:42:25,670 --> 02:42:24,319
for centuries for thousands of years to

4507
02:42:27,910 --> 02:42:25,680
keep secret

4508
02:42:29,030 --> 02:42:27,920
they had passed down in secret that

4509
02:42:30,870 --> 02:42:29,040
groups like

4510
02:42:37,750 --> 02:42:30,880
the

4511
02:42:38,790 --> 02:42:37,760
kept secret and sworn people to secrecy

4512
02:42:40,790 --> 02:42:38,800
about

4513
02:42:43,270 --> 02:42:40,800
i wrestled with a question of what right

4514
02:42:45,190 --> 02:42:43,280
did i have to write about this stuff

4515
02:42:47,190 --> 02:42:45,200
and especially if i thought i was on to

4516
02:42:49,349 --> 02:42:47,200
anything that was actually a real

4517
02:42:51,830 --> 02:42:49,359
answer to any of the secrets what right

4518
02:42:53,510 --> 02:42:51,840
did i have to write about this stuff

4519
02:42:55,670 --> 02:42:53,520
and i must have spent six months

4520
02:42:57,590 --> 02:42:55,680
weighing that question

4521
02:43:00,070 --> 02:42:57,600
um i finally

4522
02:43:01,349 --> 02:43:00,080
came to the conclusion

4523
02:43:02,630 --> 02:43:01,359
from a couple of perspectives that it

4524
02:43:05,429 --> 02:43:02,640
was that it was

4525
02:43:07,429 --> 02:43:05,439
all right to do it the first was

4526
02:43:09,349 --> 02:43:07,439
um

4527
02:43:11,349 --> 02:43:09,359
that

4528
02:43:13,110 --> 02:43:11,359
having never been an initiate in any

4529
02:43:15,750 --> 02:43:13,120
tradition i had never made a promise to

4530
02:43:17,190 --> 02:43:15,760
anybody to keep anything secret

4531
02:43:19,110 --> 02:43:17,200
that i don't have

4532
02:43:21,510 --> 02:43:19,120
a sworn obligation to keep anything

4533
02:43:23,349 --> 02:43:21,520
secret i didn't learn it from the masons

4534
02:43:26,309 --> 02:43:23,359
i didn't learn it from the egyptians i

4535
02:43:27,429 --> 02:43:26,319
didn't learn it from a dog and priest

4536
02:43:30,070 --> 02:43:27,439
so

4537
02:43:31,990 --> 02:43:30,080
having not made the vow to keep it

4538
02:43:33,910 --> 02:43:32,000
secret i wasn't necessarily under an

4539
02:43:37,030 --> 02:43:33,920
obligation to keep it secret

4540
02:43:39,750 --> 02:43:37,040
well i i will talk to the sorry i'll

4541
02:43:41,590 --> 02:43:39,760
talk to the grand council of 13 uh girl

4542
02:43:44,150 --> 02:43:41,600
guide scout leaders

4543
02:43:45,110 --> 02:43:44,160
and i'll make sure it's clear um you

4544
02:43:47,110 --> 02:43:45,120
know

4545
02:43:48,830 --> 02:43:47,120
at least from a 32nd degree freemason

4546
02:43:50,550 --> 02:43:48,840
standpoint and a member of the

4547
02:43:51,510 --> 02:43:50,560
illuminati uh

4548
02:43:53,750 --> 02:43:51,520
you know

4549
02:43:56,230 --> 02:43:53,760
that's confirmed people i

4550
02:43:57,830 --> 02:43:56,240
go go ahead and write it as your heart's

4551
02:43:59,590 --> 02:43:57,840
content you're making the world a better

4552
02:44:01,590 --> 02:43:59,600
place

4553
02:44:02,550 --> 02:44:01,600
well the next thing is

4554
02:44:04,630 --> 02:44:02,560
that

4555
02:44:06,230 --> 02:44:04,640
you can see based on the gobekli tepe

4556
02:44:08,550 --> 02:44:06,240
information and its connection to

4557
02:44:09,670 --> 02:44:08,560
science that the target audience

4558
02:44:12,950 --> 02:44:09,680
was

4559
02:44:15,110 --> 02:44:12,960
a culture like ours

4560
02:44:16,950 --> 02:44:15,120
and i could see that the science that

4561
02:44:19,429 --> 02:44:16,960
was represented

4562
02:44:21,190 --> 02:44:19,439
probably only goes about 50 years beyond

4563
02:44:23,110 --> 02:44:21,200
where we're at right now at least

4564
02:44:25,670 --> 02:44:23,120
publicly

4565
02:44:27,910 --> 02:44:25,680
in our scientific world

4566
02:44:29,830 --> 02:44:27,920
what that means is if all these

4567
02:44:32,070 --> 02:44:29,840
thousands of years of keeping it secret

4568
02:44:32,870 --> 02:44:32,080
are going to if they're motivating that

4569
02:44:35,349 --> 02:44:32,880
was

4570
02:44:37,269 --> 02:44:35,359
to help us shortcut our own science

4571
02:44:39,190 --> 02:44:37,279
down the line

4572
02:44:41,190 --> 02:44:39,200
that the only way that's going to have

4573
02:44:45,110 --> 02:44:41,200
any benefit at all is if somebody talks

4574
02:44:45,120 --> 02:44:49,670
at least with hope um

4575
02:44:52,550 --> 02:44:50,950
so

4576
02:44:54,630 --> 02:44:52,560
those are the two perspectives on that

4577
02:44:56,469 --> 02:44:54,640
this new material that connects to

4578
02:44:58,790 --> 02:44:56,479
atlantis

4579
02:45:00,309 --> 02:44:58,800
there are other ethical questions

4580
02:45:02,630 --> 02:45:00,319
involved

4581
02:45:02,640 --> 02:45:08,150
that i have to weigh

4582
02:45:11,429 --> 02:45:10,309
it it's hard to explain in other words

4583
02:45:13,990 --> 02:45:11,439
it's

4584
02:45:17,269 --> 02:45:14,000
with the scientific stuff i'm not giving

4585
02:45:19,030 --> 02:45:17,279
away anybody in specific secrets

4586
02:45:20,550 --> 02:45:19,040
lots of traditions have this information

4587
02:45:22,309 --> 02:45:20,560
they've kept secret

4588
02:45:24,710 --> 02:45:22,319
and revealing it

4589
02:45:26,630 --> 02:45:24,720
doesn't do harm to any group you can

4590
02:45:29,750 --> 02:45:26,640
point to

4591
02:45:31,910 --> 02:45:29,760
the next set of stuff the atlanta stuff

4592
02:45:33,269 --> 02:45:31,920
potentially does do harm to groups that

4593
02:45:35,750 --> 02:45:33,279
i can point to

4594
02:45:38,790 --> 02:45:35,760
and that i care about

4595
02:45:42,550 --> 02:45:40,710
um

4596
02:45:43,510 --> 02:45:42,560
first of all

4597
02:45:45,990 --> 02:45:43,520
it will

4598
02:45:47,510 --> 02:45:46,000
shine a bright light on areas of the

4599
02:45:52,950 --> 02:45:47,520
world that have tried very hard not to

4600
02:45:57,269 --> 02:45:55,110
not a very nice thing to do when someone

4601
02:45:59,190 --> 02:45:57,279
has gone through a great deal of effort

4602
02:46:01,830 --> 02:45:59,200
to not be in the spotlight to shine one

4603
02:46:05,510 --> 02:46:03,429
and so

4604
02:46:07,110 --> 02:46:05,520
given that consideration

4605
02:46:09,590 --> 02:46:07,120
i may write the book and not publish

4606
02:46:11,590 --> 02:46:09,600
that last book

4607
02:46:12,309 --> 02:46:11,600
unless i can come up with

4608
02:46:19,590 --> 02:46:12,319
a

4609
02:46:21,190 --> 02:46:19,600
um

4610
02:46:22,550 --> 02:46:21,200
when i came back from that meeting in

4611
02:46:24,150 --> 02:46:22,560
new york city where they were was

4612
02:46:27,030 --> 02:46:24,160
pointed out to me that all these symbols

4613
02:46:29,190 --> 02:46:27,040
connect to me somehow

4614
02:46:30,070 --> 02:46:29,200
i arrived back in albany to an email

4615
02:46:33,030 --> 02:46:30,080
from

4616
02:46:35,670 --> 02:46:33,040
a distant acquaintance in australia who

4617
02:46:37,750 --> 02:46:35,680
claimed to be psychic and she said

4618
02:46:39,590 --> 02:46:37,760
that she just wanted to let me know that

4619
02:46:41,269 --> 02:46:39,600
all of her psychic friends were in a

4620
02:46:42,870 --> 02:46:41,279
dinner they were upset

4621
02:46:44,230 --> 02:46:42,880
because they knew about the meeting in

4622
02:46:45,750 --> 02:46:44,240
new york city which i hadn't told

4623
02:46:47,510 --> 02:46:45,760
anybody about

4624
02:46:49,510 --> 02:46:47,520
and the reason they were upset was

4625
02:46:53,110 --> 02:46:49,520
because i had been given permission to

4626
02:46:55,750 --> 02:46:53,120
study things that they wanted to study

4627
02:46:59,830 --> 02:46:58,309
that kind of an experience

4628
02:47:01,429 --> 02:46:59,840
if you look at it the right way can be

4629
02:47:02,950 --> 02:47:01,439
taken as permission to go ahead and do a

4630
02:47:04,550 --> 02:47:02,960
thing you had thoughts about what you

4631
02:47:06,150 --> 02:47:04,560
should do

4632
02:47:08,309 --> 02:47:06,160
so there's the potential that something

4633
02:47:09,269 --> 02:47:08,319
like that will happen and i'll i'll feel

4634
02:47:10,950 --> 02:47:09,279
that

4635
02:47:13,590 --> 02:47:10,960
the universe has given me permission to

4636
02:47:16,630 --> 02:47:13,600
go ahead and talk about that last piece

4637
02:47:20,550 --> 02:47:16,640
but right now i'm still

4638
02:47:24,950 --> 02:47:22,550
i think this is the the deepest we've

4639
02:47:26,469 --> 02:47:24,960
like the most profound we've gone into

4640
02:47:29,510 --> 02:47:26,479
an episode with a guest

4641
02:47:30,870 --> 02:47:29,520
um with regards to unreleased material

4642
02:47:32,950 --> 02:47:30,880
and the

4643
02:47:36,550 --> 02:47:32,960
you know the ethical reasons

4644
02:47:38,630 --> 02:47:36,560
whether to release it or record it or

4645
02:47:40,469 --> 02:47:38,640
you know to publish it for instance

4646
02:47:42,630 --> 02:47:40,479
and again you're you know you're a

4647
02:47:44,469 --> 02:47:42,640
software engineer and

4648
02:47:45,990 --> 02:47:44,479
a very well regarded uh internationally

4649
02:47:48,150 --> 02:47:46,000
published author

4650
02:47:49,670 --> 02:47:48,160
and the fact that you're wrestling with

4651
02:47:53,349 --> 02:47:49,680
the

4652
02:47:54,710 --> 02:47:53,359
put

4653
02:47:56,389 --> 02:47:54,720
work of yours out there which could

4654
02:47:57,910 --> 02:47:56,399
potentially bring you revenue and bring

4655
02:48:01,110 --> 02:47:57,920
your publisher revenue and again help

4656
02:48:02,950 --> 02:48:01,120
your family it's weighing that

4657
02:48:05,429 --> 02:48:02,960
whether it's worth it for the greater

4658
02:48:07,670 --> 02:48:05,439
good or whether it can actually do harm

4659
02:48:09,830 --> 02:48:07,680
and any author these days will tell you

4660
02:48:12,230 --> 02:48:09,840
that the financial side of it is not a

4661
02:48:14,630 --> 02:48:12,240
big enough piece to influence anybody's

4662
02:48:16,630 --> 02:48:14,640
decision about anything an author sees

4663
02:48:18,150 --> 02:48:16,640
almost nothing of

4664
02:48:28,309 --> 02:48:18,160
a

4665
02:48:29,510 --> 02:48:28,319
um you're not in it for the money

4666
02:48:31,510 --> 02:48:29,520
even she

4667
02:48:33,590 --> 02:48:31,520
donated considerable considerable amount

4668
02:48:35,190 --> 02:48:33,600
of her of of her wealth

4669
02:48:36,230 --> 02:48:35,200
from her success

4670
02:48:40,550 --> 02:48:36,240
um

4671
02:48:46,630 --> 02:48:43,269
from the standpoint of shining light on

4672
02:48:50,469 --> 02:48:46,640
individuals or or groups or nations or

4673
02:48:53,830 --> 02:48:51,910
certain

4674
02:48:56,230 --> 02:48:53,840
areas we'll we'll put it

4675
02:48:59,750 --> 02:48:56,240
i can understand that standpoint because

4676
02:49:02,070 --> 02:48:59,760
if we look at um

4677
02:49:04,710 --> 02:49:02,080
let's say the the ayahuasca craze and

4678
02:49:06,070 --> 02:49:04,720
and how that has been kind of spreading

4679
02:49:08,309 --> 02:49:06,080
uh within north america and there there

4680
02:49:09,990 --> 02:49:08,319
are people who you know it's it was

4681
02:49:12,469 --> 02:49:10,000
first really brought out into the the

4682
02:49:13,750 --> 02:49:12,479
wild wide world within our our current

4683
02:49:15,269 --> 02:49:13,760
generation

4684
02:49:17,510 --> 02:49:15,279
and popular culture through jeroen

4685
02:49:19,990 --> 02:49:17,520
experience and his discussions with

4686
02:49:20,790 --> 02:49:20,000
uh with uh um graham

4687
02:49:21,990 --> 02:49:20,800
and

4688
02:49:23,990 --> 02:49:22,000
like now you'll have all of these young

4689
02:49:26,550 --> 02:49:24,000
people who will travel down you know

4690
02:49:28,630 --> 02:49:26,560
they'll travel down to south america or

4691
02:49:30,469 --> 02:49:28,640
you they will find people within their

4692
02:49:31,750 --> 02:49:30,479
own communities to essentially go

4693
02:49:34,389 --> 02:49:31,760
ayahuasca

4694
02:49:35,990 --> 02:49:34,399
you know vacationing as it were a very

4695
02:49:37,750 --> 02:49:36,000
profound vacation

4696
02:49:40,230 --> 02:49:37,760
but you're it's a lot of traffic going

4697
02:49:43,349 --> 02:49:40,240
to certain areas that is you know can

4698
02:49:45,190 --> 02:49:43,359
either be diluting the message or could

4699
02:49:47,269 --> 02:49:45,200
be doing more harm by getting a

4700
02:49:49,990 --> 02:49:47,279
perception about the experience which is

4701
02:49:51,030 --> 02:49:50,000
supposed to be very very spiritual

4702
02:49:56,230 --> 02:49:51,040
or

4703
02:49:57,670 --> 02:49:56,240
like the egyptian pyramids which

4704
02:50:00,710 --> 02:49:57,680
pretty much all times of year are

4705
02:50:02,230 --> 02:50:00,720
crawling with with tourists now these

4706
02:50:04,870 --> 02:50:02,240
monuments which

4707
02:50:05,990 --> 02:50:04,880
you know have stood the test of time for

4708
02:50:08,630 --> 02:50:06,000
at least

4709
02:50:09,590 --> 02:50:08,640
4 500 years possibly much longer than

4710
02:50:11,510 --> 02:50:09,600
that

4711
02:50:13,190 --> 02:50:11,520
have people right all over them and

4712
02:50:14,870 --> 02:50:13,200
inside of them

4713
02:50:16,950 --> 02:50:14,880
you know 12 hours a day every single day

4714
02:50:19,110 --> 02:50:16,960
365 days a year

4715
02:50:20,389 --> 02:50:19,120
and they could have been created to be

4716
02:50:23,429 --> 02:50:20,399
extremely

4717
02:50:25,190 --> 02:50:23,439
spiritual and important places not just

4718
02:50:27,429 --> 02:50:25,200
from a religious standpoint but possibly

4719
02:50:28,790 --> 02:50:27,439
even a metaphysical standpoint

4720
02:50:30,309 --> 02:50:28,800
so

4721
02:50:32,150 --> 02:50:30,319
like if

4722
02:50:33,269 --> 02:50:32,160
is this the type of

4723
02:50:34,870 --> 02:50:33,279
um

4724
02:50:37,110 --> 02:50:34,880
you know is this the type of worry that

4725
02:50:38,550 --> 02:50:37,120
you have or is it more of a

4726
02:50:41,110 --> 02:50:38,560
uh you know

4727
02:50:43,030 --> 02:50:41,120
like a safety issue is like

4728
02:50:45,349 --> 02:50:43,040
that no that that's one

4729
02:50:47,030 --> 02:50:45,359
one issue is okay first of all i

4730
02:50:48,550 --> 02:50:47,040
understand that

4731
02:50:50,469 --> 02:50:48,560
whatever is at the bottom of all this

4732
02:50:52,950 --> 02:50:50,479
stuff is more than capable of defending

4733
02:50:54,870 --> 02:50:52,960
itself if there's a real thing there if

4734
02:50:56,710 --> 02:50:54,880
we're perceiving something that's real

4735
02:50:59,349 --> 02:50:56,720
it's more than capable of defending

4736
02:51:01,750 --> 02:50:59,359
itself it doesn't need me to protect it

4737
02:51:07,750 --> 02:51:03,670
there there is a concern about

4738
02:51:09,429 --> 02:51:07,760
overrunning sites that are pristine

4739
02:51:10,710 --> 02:51:09,439
there is a concern

4740
02:51:13,429 --> 02:51:10,720
about

4741
02:51:14,950 --> 02:51:13,439
destroying the life of

4742
02:51:17,269 --> 02:51:14,960
communities

4743
02:51:23,910 --> 02:51:21,269
um have gone to extraordinary lengths

4744
02:51:28,790 --> 02:51:26,070
sustain a really nice

4745
02:51:31,590 --> 02:51:28,800
society unto themselves

4746
02:51:32,550 --> 02:51:31,600
why send people to these places that

4747
02:51:35,030 --> 02:51:32,560
don't

4748
02:51:36,550 --> 02:51:35,040
they're not asking to be overrun

4749
02:51:38,309 --> 02:51:36,560
with you not that my book would cause

4750
02:51:39,830 --> 02:51:38,319
that to happen

4751
02:51:42,630 --> 02:51:39,840
but

4752
02:51:47,190 --> 02:51:45,030
there there are concerns about

4753
02:51:48,230 --> 02:51:47,200
about what what's the the nice thing to

4754
02:51:50,230 --> 02:51:48,240
do

4755
02:51:52,630 --> 02:51:50,240
for somebody if you know somebody who is

4756
02:51:53,990 --> 02:51:52,640
is deliberately trying not to be found

4757
02:51:56,710 --> 02:51:54,000
you don't go on the internet and say oh

4758
02:51:57,429 --> 02:51:56,720
by the way here they are

4759
02:52:01,030 --> 02:51:57,439
now

4760
02:52:03,910 --> 02:52:01,040
i'm gonna outright ask you um and again

4761
02:52:06,070 --> 02:52:03,920
i saw only one post on your a book about

4762
02:52:08,550 --> 02:52:06,080
this and i've talked to every single

4763
02:52:10,309 --> 02:52:08,560
person that i have tried to discuss this

4764
02:52:12,150 --> 02:52:10,319
subject with has always been near the

4765
02:52:14,389 --> 02:52:12,160
end of the interview and never actually

4766
02:52:15,670 --> 02:52:14,399
get to the subject hence the entire

4767
02:52:17,750 --> 02:52:15,680
throwback month

4768
02:52:20,230 --> 02:52:17,760
because i'm trying to you know at least

4769
02:52:22,230 --> 02:52:20,240
go deeper into these subjects

4770
02:52:28,550 --> 02:52:22,240
regarding giants

4771
02:52:28,560 --> 02:52:32,150
there's a perspective from which

4772
02:52:36,150 --> 02:52:33,510
there might have been giants on the

4773
02:52:37,030 --> 02:52:36,160
planet in ancient times

4774
02:52:39,030 --> 02:52:37,040
but

4775
02:52:40,070 --> 02:52:39,040
to get to that

4776
02:52:44,710 --> 02:52:40,080
the

4777
02:52:47,269 --> 02:52:44,720
publisher to publish and it doesn't

4778
02:52:50,550 --> 02:52:47,279
directly deal with the concept of giants

4779
02:52:52,070 --> 02:52:50,560
it deals with concepts that could allow

4780
02:52:54,389 --> 02:52:52,080
could explain or give us a perspective

4781
02:52:56,630 --> 02:52:54,399
for how that might have been possible

4782
02:53:00,950 --> 02:52:56,640
you know it's also possible that

4783
02:53:04,150 --> 02:53:02,309
there's a perspective from which that's

4784
02:53:06,550 --> 02:53:04,160
also possible

4785
02:53:08,230 --> 02:53:06,560
and with this one

4786
02:53:11,269 --> 02:53:08,240
sorry go ahead i mean i'm not not

4787
02:53:14,309 --> 02:53:11,279
endorsing those things happened uh i'm

4788
02:53:16,790 --> 02:53:14,319
not i'm not a researcher of giants or

4789
02:53:18,950 --> 02:53:16,800
the elongated heads or a lot of these

4790
02:53:20,309 --> 02:53:18,960
subjects that are still really on the

4791
02:53:21,590 --> 02:53:20,319
fringe of

4792
02:53:25,349 --> 02:53:21,600
of

4793
02:53:27,349 --> 02:53:25,359
the feudal studies i'm in but

4794
02:53:29,590 --> 02:53:27,359
when it comes to the giants and the

4795
02:53:30,710 --> 02:53:29,600
longevity of life there is a perspective

4796
02:53:32,630 --> 02:53:30,720
from which

4797
02:53:33,990 --> 02:53:32,640
you might be able to explain those and

4798
02:53:37,510 --> 02:53:34,000
would this have anything to do with uh

4799
02:53:42,389 --> 02:53:37,520
ormus or monoatomic gold

4800
02:53:44,070 --> 02:53:42,399
no okay um not not directly into this um

4801
02:53:45,910 --> 02:53:44,080
but it does

4802
02:53:47,510 --> 02:53:45,920
if you're paying attention to scientific

4803
02:53:51,190 --> 02:53:47,520
discoveries that are are playing out

4804
02:53:52,630 --> 02:53:51,200
recently there are some odd questions

4805
02:53:53,990 --> 02:53:52,640
that keep popping up there's a there was

4806
02:53:55,269 --> 02:53:54,000
an article i posted on facebook the

4807
02:53:56,469 --> 02:53:55,279
other day that

4808
02:53:58,469 --> 02:53:56,479
where

4809
02:54:00,070 --> 02:53:58,479
one of the solutions to the scientific

4810
02:54:01,590 --> 02:54:00,080
conundrum they have right now is that

4811
02:54:03,110 --> 02:54:01,600
our universe they're seeing the effect

4812
02:54:04,830 --> 02:54:03,120
of our universe pressing up against

4813
02:54:07,110 --> 02:54:04,840
another

4814
02:54:09,110 --> 02:54:07,120
universe i i'm

4815
02:54:11,830 --> 02:54:09,120
you know i have um

4816
02:54:13,910 --> 02:54:11,840
been very critical of the uh of let's

4817
02:54:15,670 --> 02:54:13,920
say zechariah sitchin's work and

4818
02:54:17,030 --> 02:54:15,680
translations of

4819
02:54:18,469 --> 02:54:17,040
uh the

4820
02:54:20,710 --> 02:54:18,479
cuneiform texts

4821
02:54:23,750 --> 02:54:20,720
um in earlier episodes i i've become a

4822
02:54:25,429 --> 02:54:23,760
lot more open-minded to the possibility

4823
02:54:28,230 --> 02:54:25,439
and not outright dismissed it but you

4824
02:54:29,990 --> 02:54:28,240
know early on in the show i may have

4825
02:54:31,670 --> 02:54:30,000
said some choice things about uh the

4826
02:54:33,349 --> 02:54:31,680
ancient aliens

4827
02:54:36,630 --> 02:54:33,359
uh television show in terms of

4828
02:54:40,309 --> 02:54:36,640
presentation of its work as a fact

4829
02:54:41,910 --> 02:54:40,319
uh that you know essentially it was like

4830
02:54:43,429 --> 02:54:41,920
how the hell were these you know there

4831
02:54:45,990 --> 02:54:43,439
were these aliens that were out there

4832
02:54:47,910 --> 02:54:46,000
that came here mined monoatomic gold

4833
02:54:49,590 --> 02:54:47,920
from some planet within our universe

4834
02:54:51,830 --> 02:54:49,600
that the date of its appearance keeps

4835
02:54:53,349 --> 02:54:51,840
getting pushed back you know these guys

4836
02:54:55,269 --> 02:54:53,359
are full of [\h__\h] type of thing

4837
02:54:56,469 --> 02:54:55,279
uh or zechariah sitchin i think is full

4838
02:54:59,429 --> 02:54:56,479
of [\h__\h] i

4839
02:55:00,790 --> 02:54:59,439
because i have tempered myself

4840
02:55:02,870 --> 02:55:00,800
it's a matter of again trying to find

4841
02:55:04,230 --> 02:55:02,880
that that razor's edge between being

4842
02:55:05,670 --> 02:55:04,240
open-minded between the science and the

4843
02:55:06,870 --> 02:55:05,680
metaphysics and saying okay it's a

4844
02:55:08,389 --> 02:55:06,880
possibility

4845
02:55:10,550 --> 02:55:08,399
um but i'm not going to outright say

4846
02:55:11,590 --> 02:55:10,560
it's not you know i may disagree with

4847
02:55:13,429 --> 02:55:11,600
something but i'm not going to say it's

4848
02:55:15,429 --> 02:55:13,439
not true because i would hate to find

4849
02:55:16,389 --> 02:55:15,439
out if this book actually gets published

4850
02:55:18,389 --> 02:55:16,399
or if i can

4851
02:55:20,070 --> 02:55:18,399
somehow get this information out of you

4852
02:55:21,910 --> 02:55:20,080
to find out that their entire tv show

4853
02:55:23,830 --> 02:55:21,920
was right and then i have to go back

4854
02:55:25,670 --> 02:55:23,840
through 30 episodes and say like yeah

4855
02:55:27,429 --> 02:55:25,680
that part i was wrong i'm sorry for

4856
02:55:28,950 --> 02:55:27,439
saying you guys are full of [\h__\h] here

4857
02:55:32,710 --> 02:55:28,960
i'm sorry for giving you a hard time

4858
02:55:34,150 --> 02:55:32,720
there because it's you know it yeah

4859
02:55:35,590 --> 02:55:34,160
because i don't have the facts and maybe

4860
02:55:37,269 --> 02:55:35,600
they have the research that says

4861
02:55:39,429 --> 02:55:37,279
otherwise and just because it's on this

4862
02:55:41,030 --> 02:55:39,439
shiny tv show and it's presented you

4863
02:55:43,030 --> 02:55:41,040
know somewhat comically it'd be to the

4864
02:55:45,190 --> 02:55:43,040
point where it's an internet meme uh

4865
02:55:46,630 --> 02:55:45,200
george suclose love you to death

4866
02:55:48,870 --> 02:55:46,640
um

4867
02:55:50,870 --> 02:55:48,880
you know well there's a bogart film

4868
02:55:54,070 --> 02:55:50,880
where there's an interaction between

4869
02:55:55,990 --> 02:55:54,080
uh bogart and elijah cook whereas so one

4870
02:55:57,349 --> 02:55:56,000
of the characters says you gotta let a

4871
02:55:58,630 --> 02:55:57,359
guy play his hand one of them had

4872
02:56:00,469 --> 02:55:58,640
watched the other one get beat up in an

4873
02:56:02,870 --> 02:56:00,479
alleyway and the one who got beat up

4874
02:56:04,950 --> 02:56:02,880
said why didn't you stop it and the the

4875
02:56:06,389 --> 02:56:04,960
first one says because i've learned in

4876
02:56:07,349 --> 02:56:06,399
this business you gotta let a guy play

4877
02:56:09,830 --> 02:56:07,359
his hand

4878
02:56:12,469 --> 02:56:09,840
that's sort of the way i feel about

4879
02:56:14,870 --> 02:56:12,479
anybody's theory about something

4880
02:56:17,750 --> 02:56:14,880
is that i try to take it at face value

4881
02:56:19,269 --> 02:56:17,760
of what they present to me i know that a

4882
02:56:21,990 --> 02:56:19,279
lot of the stuff i talk about sounds

4883
02:56:24,309 --> 02:56:22,000
like nonsense to somebody else

4884
02:56:26,710 --> 02:56:24,319
in the end

4885
02:56:28,630 --> 02:56:26,720
there's a huge conceptual stack of

4886
02:56:30,950 --> 02:56:28,640
things that i might might be true or

4887
02:56:33,990 --> 02:56:30,960
might not be true that i don't try to to

4888
02:56:35,190 --> 02:56:34,000
render uh an opinion about and over time

4889
02:56:37,190 --> 02:56:35,200
some of those end up coming off the

4890
02:56:39,110 --> 02:56:37,200
stack and i have a rationale for either

4891
02:56:40,389 --> 02:56:39,120
that it is true or

4892
02:56:42,469 --> 02:56:40,399
there's a perspective from which it

4893
02:56:44,550 --> 02:56:42,479
might be true

4894
02:56:46,790 --> 02:56:44,560
um a lot of times i mean some of the

4895
02:56:48,790 --> 02:56:46,800
last couple of books i've written

4896
02:56:50,469 --> 02:56:48,800
it's like a whole book some with the

4897
02:56:52,870 --> 02:56:50,479
material comes out of that stack at the

4898
02:56:54,710 --> 02:56:52,880
same moment because of one piece falling

4899
02:56:56,469 --> 02:56:54,720
into place

4900
02:56:58,070 --> 02:56:56,479
the scarab ray book was written in

4901
02:56:59,510 --> 02:56:58,080
mostly six weeks

4902
02:57:01,190 --> 02:56:59,520
most of the

4903
02:57:03,510 --> 02:57:01,200
majority majority was written in six

4904
02:57:05,510 --> 02:57:03,520
weeks the point of origin book

4905
02:57:07,190 --> 02:57:05,520
was written in about three months the

4906
02:57:10,070 --> 02:57:07,200
books before that

4907
02:57:12,550 --> 02:57:10,080
took year and a half each

4908
02:57:14,469 --> 02:57:12,560
but that also has bearing on the

4909
02:57:16,950 --> 02:57:14,479
material and my feeling of whether it's

4910
02:57:18,870 --> 02:57:16,960
appropriate to be revealing stuff the

4911
02:57:20,870 --> 02:57:18,880
point of origin book

4912
02:57:23,269 --> 02:57:20,880
the way that that fell out

4913
02:57:25,190 --> 02:57:23,279
was i thought i was researching a half a

4914
02:57:26,630 --> 02:57:25,200
dozen different questions

4915
02:57:28,389 --> 02:57:26,640
for people i knew that related the

4916
02:57:31,030 --> 02:57:28,399
language egyptian language

4917
02:57:33,190 --> 02:57:31,040
and one july morning

4918
02:57:35,750 --> 02:57:33,200
i happened to solve all half a dozen

4919
02:57:37,830 --> 02:57:35,760
questions at the same time

4920
02:57:40,150 --> 02:57:37,840
and the words that solved the problem

4921
02:57:41,590 --> 02:57:40,160
were all in the same column of the same

4922
02:57:42,870 --> 02:57:41,600
page of the egyptian hieroglyphic

4923
02:57:45,110 --> 02:57:42,880
dictionary

4924
02:57:46,389 --> 02:57:45,120
and the seventh word on that page as

4925
02:57:49,429 --> 02:57:46,399
well as the key indeed at the right

4926
02:57:52,070 --> 02:57:51,110
and when that kind of thing happens to

4927
02:58:02,070 --> 02:57:52,080
you

4928
02:58:03,830 --> 02:58:02,080
long and again not to

4929
02:58:05,750 --> 02:58:03,840
diminish the length of time if if you

4930
02:58:06,950 --> 02:58:05,760
could write such profound work within

4931
02:58:09,830 --> 02:58:06,960
you know three months to a year and a

4932
02:58:12,870 --> 02:58:09,840
half and george rr martin takes like

4933
02:58:14,710 --> 02:58:12,880
what 10 years to write wins a winter uh

4934
02:58:16,469 --> 02:58:14,720
you know and

4935
02:58:17,510 --> 02:58:16,479
it it kind of goes better at making

4936
02:58:18,710 --> 02:58:17,520
stuff up

4937
02:58:21,110 --> 02:58:18,720
well no

4938
02:58:23,030 --> 02:58:21,120
well it's either that or you're you're

4939
02:58:24,469 --> 02:58:23,040
sourcing the information or at least

4940
02:58:25,910 --> 02:58:24,479
it's it's coming to the connections are

4941
02:58:27,670 --> 02:58:25,920
coming to you from

4942
02:58:29,429 --> 02:58:27,680
you know you have otherworldly

4943
02:58:30,870 --> 02:58:29,439
connections that you've said you have

4944
02:58:33,590 --> 02:58:30,880
experience and everything leads back to

4945
02:58:35,830 --> 02:58:33,600
you uh you know is is it possible that

4946
02:58:36,630 --> 02:58:35,840
you are in like some

4947
02:58:37,990 --> 02:58:36,640
like have you looked into the

4948
02:58:39,750 --> 02:58:38,000
possibility that you're an information

4949
02:58:41,750 --> 02:58:39,760
nexus or you're meant to

4950
02:58:43,190 --> 02:58:41,760
write these the you put this knowledge

4951
02:58:45,110 --> 02:58:43,200
out there

4952
02:58:46,710 --> 02:58:45,120
that's one of the questions that i don't

4953
02:58:48,550 --> 02:58:46,720
have a perspective on that's on the

4954
02:58:49,830 --> 02:58:48,560
stack of

4955
02:58:51,510 --> 02:58:49,840
some things might be two other things

4956
02:58:57,429 --> 02:58:51,520
might be true and i'm not in a position

4957
02:59:01,030 --> 02:58:59,349
you also learn in this business to take

4958
02:59:03,190 --> 02:59:01,040
things on to more than one level at the

4959
02:59:05,429 --> 02:59:03,200
same time

4960
02:59:07,349 --> 02:59:05,439
and so

4961
02:59:08,710 --> 02:59:07,359
the best i can say about any of that

4962
02:59:10,790 --> 02:59:08,720
stuff is

4963
02:59:12,309 --> 02:59:10,800
here's here's a demonstration that

4964
02:59:15,510 --> 02:59:12,319
there's stuff going on that we can't

4965
02:59:17,269 --> 02:59:15,520
explain because in a rational world that

4966
02:59:18,630 --> 02:59:17,279
kind of thing doesn't happen and i know

4967
02:59:21,830 --> 02:59:18,640
it

4968
02:59:23,910 --> 02:59:21,840
when i was researching the china book

4969
02:59:25,750 --> 02:59:23,920
i was researching a period of time when

4970
02:59:29,429 --> 02:59:25,760
i was researching the

4971
02:59:31,030 --> 02:59:29,439
eight mythical emperors of china

4972
02:59:32,230 --> 02:59:31,040
and there are myths that explain who

4973
02:59:33,750 --> 02:59:32,240
they were and what they did and where

4974
02:59:35,670 --> 02:59:33,760
they went where they were born and what

4975
02:59:36,630 --> 02:59:35,680
their name was and so forth

4976
02:59:38,309 --> 02:59:36,640
when you

4977
02:59:40,550 --> 02:59:38,319
parse out all that material about one of

4978
02:59:42,630 --> 02:59:40,560
the emperors you discover that hit the

4979
02:59:44,950 --> 02:59:42,640
phonetic value of his name

4980
02:59:46,389 --> 02:59:44,960
links you to egyptian words

4981
02:59:48,230 --> 02:59:46,399
where

4982
02:59:49,750 --> 02:59:48,240
other words under the same kinetic value

4983
02:59:52,070 --> 02:59:49,760
all tied to these same attributes of

4984
02:59:53,429 --> 02:59:52,080
that emperor in other words

4985
02:59:55,830 --> 02:59:53,439
it looks like this is not telling us

4986
02:59:58,710 --> 02:59:55,840
history about the life of a person this

4987
03:00:00,790 --> 02:59:58,720
is encoding a set of cosmological

4988
03:00:04,150 --> 03:00:00,800
meanings into the storyline this is a

4989
03:00:06,469 --> 03:00:04,160
this is myth this is in history

4990
03:00:07,590 --> 03:00:06,479
then i take a perspective on my own

4991
03:00:11,910 --> 03:00:07,600
experience

4992
03:00:13,190 --> 03:00:11,920
lay out the things that like the layered

4993
03:00:16,070 --> 03:00:13,200
of scale

4994
03:00:18,550 --> 03:00:16,080
that if 500 years from now somebody were

4995
03:00:20,950 --> 03:00:18,560
looking back and and taking a look at

4996
03:00:23,110 --> 03:00:20,960
these meanings and how they tie out they

4997
03:00:25,030 --> 03:00:23,120
would say was very clear that this is

4998
03:00:27,190 --> 03:00:25,040
not lyric scranton wasn't a real person

4999
03:00:30,870 --> 03:00:27,200
this is a myth because you can't have

5000
03:00:35,429 --> 03:00:33,510
and so i end up having to take it

5001
03:00:37,590 --> 03:00:35,439
on two levels i have to allow for the

5002
03:00:40,309 --> 03:00:37,600
fact that these odd things are really

5003
03:00:43,990 --> 03:00:40,319
happening and i don't understand them

5004
03:00:45,510 --> 03:00:44,000
i also have to allow for the fact that

5005
03:00:49,349 --> 03:00:45,520
intellectually i know that it's not

5006
03:00:54,230 --> 03:00:52,230
and that in itself may tell me something

5007
03:00:55,190 --> 03:00:54,240
about the nature of my reality i don't

5008
03:00:56,469 --> 03:00:55,200
know

5009
03:00:57,590 --> 03:00:56,479
um

5010
03:00:59,110 --> 03:00:57,600
it's not something i've completely

5011
03:01:01,269 --> 03:00:59,120
sorted out but

5012
03:01:03,190 --> 03:01:01,279
the best best best conclusion i can come

5013
03:01:08,070 --> 03:01:03,200
to is there's stuff going on i can't

5014
03:01:11,910 --> 03:01:08,870
and

5015
03:01:16,230 --> 03:01:14,309
any again not not trying to say a

5016
03:01:17,910 --> 03:01:16,240
definitive one way or another and again

5017
03:01:18,790 --> 03:01:17,920
like where we're having a conversation

5018
03:01:21,269 --> 03:01:18,800
as

5019
03:01:23,429 --> 03:01:21,279
uh you know like

5020
03:01:25,750 --> 03:01:23,439
fairly well known out there

5021
03:01:28,150 --> 03:01:25,760
acquaintances within the community so

5022
03:01:30,469 --> 03:01:28,160
just just conjecture

5023
03:01:32,150 --> 03:01:30,479
if you were to get venture a guess

5024
03:01:39,590 --> 03:01:32,160
i'll use that term

5025
03:01:43,670 --> 03:01:41,349
well because of the path i'm on with the

5026
03:01:45,030 --> 03:01:43,680
books i have to take what seems to be

5027
03:01:47,110 --> 03:01:45,040
real as real

5028
03:01:48,550 --> 03:01:47,120
it's basically the same conundrum as

5029
03:01:50,230 --> 03:01:48,560
physicist is telling me that he doesn't

5030
03:01:51,830 --> 03:01:50,240
believe that certain pieces of this

5031
03:01:53,590 --> 03:01:51,840
could work the way that i say they're

5032
03:01:54,710 --> 03:01:53,600
working or the way the token say that

5033
03:01:57,110 --> 03:01:54,720
they work

5034
03:01:59,429 --> 03:01:57,120
that

5035
03:02:01,670 --> 03:01:59,439
my job might the track i'm on is to

5036
03:02:04,710 --> 03:02:01,680
pursue wherever that leads

5037
03:02:05,910 --> 03:02:04,720
and ultimately doing that doesn't depend

5038
03:02:07,910 --> 03:02:05,920
on whether

5039
03:02:09,670 --> 03:02:07,920
it's really true or not

5040
03:02:11,510 --> 03:02:09,680
i still have to pursue it

5041
03:02:12,790 --> 03:02:11,520
it's like if you were you've gotten on

5042
03:02:15,030 --> 03:02:12,800
the train you had the ticket that's

5043
03:02:16,150 --> 03:02:15,040
going to take you to chicago

5044
03:02:17,269 --> 03:02:16,160
it doesn't matter if you decide to

5045
03:02:18,710 --> 03:02:17,279
halfway through that you're questioning

5046
03:02:23,269 --> 03:02:18,720
your motives for going to chicago are

5047
03:02:27,910 --> 03:02:25,590
so it's a it's a mood question it's a

5048
03:02:30,309 --> 03:02:27,920
question i can't answer

5049
03:02:33,429 --> 03:02:30,319
every virtually every author i've talked

5050
03:02:35,429 --> 03:02:33,439
to who writes about this stuff

5051
03:02:37,269 --> 03:02:35,439
i'd research other teachers researchers

5052
03:02:38,389 --> 03:02:37,279
who don't really write but explore in

5053
03:02:39,269 --> 03:02:38,399
other ways

5054
03:02:41,670 --> 03:02:39,279
has

5055
03:02:43,190 --> 03:02:41,680
a zillion stories that i can't explain

5056
03:02:44,870 --> 03:02:43,200
the things that have happened to them

5057
03:02:46,870 --> 03:02:44,880
i've had really odd things happen i've

5058
03:02:48,150 --> 03:02:46,880
been at conferences i was at a

5059
03:02:50,150 --> 03:02:48,160
conference

5060
03:02:52,870 --> 03:02:50,160
sitting listening to a presentation

5061
03:02:54,469 --> 03:02:52,880
behind a couple and at one point the

5062
03:02:57,429 --> 03:02:54,479
woman and the couple turned around and

5063
03:02:59,429 --> 03:02:57,439
asked me she said would i mind if i mind

5064
03:03:01,590 --> 03:02:59,439
taking a look at a symbol for her during

5065
03:03:03,110 --> 03:03:01,600
the break and i said i would and so

5066
03:03:05,910 --> 03:03:03,120
during the break we went out and she

5067
03:03:08,309 --> 03:03:05,920
brought me actually two photographs of

5068
03:03:09,910 --> 03:03:08,319
the same symbol one had appeared on the

5069
03:03:12,550 --> 03:03:09,920
window of her house

5070
03:03:14,630 --> 03:03:12,560
next to her fireplace and the other

5071
03:03:16,790 --> 03:03:14,640
the same symbol had turned up on the

5072
03:03:19,590 --> 03:03:16,800
windshield of her car and she and her

5073
03:03:23,269 --> 03:03:19,600
husband were only concerned that this

5074
03:03:25,269 --> 03:03:23,279
was an evil sign an evil omen could i

5075
03:03:26,790 --> 03:03:25,279
reassure them that it wasn't

5076
03:03:29,030 --> 03:03:26,800
well i could see

5077
03:03:31,309 --> 03:03:29,040
that the symbol was a dogen symbol i'd

5078
03:03:33,990 --> 03:03:31,319
seen pictures of it in in the doghood

5079
03:03:36,469 --> 03:03:34,000
anthropological study but i didn't

5080
03:03:38,070 --> 03:03:36,479
have a fix on what it represented so i

5081
03:03:40,469 --> 03:03:38,080
went back after the conference i did

5082
03:03:42,790 --> 03:03:40,479
some research and discovered that

5083
03:03:44,870 --> 03:03:42,800
the subject matter that i was currently

5084
03:03:46,469 --> 03:03:44,880
researching for a book i was writing i

5085
03:03:49,030 --> 03:03:46,479
was trying to write

5086
03:03:50,870 --> 03:03:49,040
had a whole other dimension to it that i

5087
03:03:55,590 --> 03:03:50,880
had not discovered

5088
03:03:59,670 --> 03:03:57,670
so i told the lady that

5089
03:04:01,750 --> 03:03:59,680
and that almost made her more upset than

5090
03:04:03,269 --> 03:04:01,760
thinking that it was an evil omen i had

5091
03:04:05,190 --> 03:04:03,279
to reassure her i said look all that's

5092
03:04:06,710 --> 03:04:05,200
happened here and this happens to me at

5093
03:04:09,190 --> 03:04:06,720
conferences a lot

5094
03:04:10,950 --> 03:04:09,200
is

5095
03:04:12,550 --> 03:04:10,960
the same thing as if

5096
03:04:14,070 --> 03:04:12,560
you had to get a message to a friend who

5097
03:04:15,510 --> 03:04:14,080
you know was going to a party and you

5098
03:04:17,830 --> 03:04:15,520
sent it with another friend who was also

5099
03:04:22,309 --> 03:04:17,840
going

5100
03:04:24,150 --> 03:04:22,319
it's not nefarious

5101
03:04:26,469 --> 03:04:24,160
it's practical

5102
03:04:28,469 --> 03:04:26,479
i've had situations where people will

5103
03:04:29,750 --> 03:04:28,479
approach me the conference with really

5104
03:04:31,750 --> 03:04:29,760
weird stories of things that have been

5105
03:04:33,190 --> 03:04:31,760
happening to them lately and when i get

5106
03:04:35,830 --> 03:04:33,200
to the bottom of the symbolism of what

5107
03:04:37,030 --> 03:04:35,840
they're talking about it's the answer to

5108
03:04:39,349 --> 03:04:37,040
an issue another person of the

5109
03:04:41,670 --> 03:04:39,359
conference was having

5110
03:04:42,950 --> 03:04:41,680
where i ended up being the conduit for

5111
03:04:44,630 --> 03:04:42,960
the

5112
03:04:47,110 --> 03:04:44,640
information

5113
03:04:49,590 --> 03:04:47,120
and that's the kind of stuff

5114
03:04:51,190 --> 03:04:49,600
that you either allow

5115
03:04:52,790 --> 03:04:51,200
could be true or you don't and if you

5116
03:04:55,990 --> 03:04:52,800
don't allow that it could be true you

5117
03:04:58,389 --> 03:04:56,000
don't get it it doesn't happen for you

5118
03:05:00,630 --> 03:04:58,399
and those who do allow the possibility

5119
03:05:02,950 --> 03:05:00,640
that it might be true it seems to happen

5120
03:05:05,750 --> 03:05:02,960
to more and more and more

5121
03:05:08,469 --> 03:05:05,760
you attract it to yourself by

5122
03:05:09,590 --> 03:05:08,479
recognizing it by it by

5123
03:05:11,590 --> 03:05:09,600
allowing it

5124
03:05:13,510 --> 03:05:11,600
now uh this

5125
03:05:16,230 --> 03:05:13,520
this windshield symbol uh how many books

5126
03:05:18,469 --> 03:05:16,240
ahead will that be linked to

5127
03:05:20,710 --> 03:05:18,479
just just for reference

5128
03:05:21,750 --> 03:05:20,720
let's see i'm trying to think of

5129
03:05:27,110 --> 03:05:21,760
where that

5130
03:05:28,550 --> 03:05:27,120
that that ended up being um

5131
03:05:30,389 --> 03:05:28,560
a portion of the point of origin book

5132
03:05:33,030 --> 03:05:30,399
that is already published

5133
03:05:35,190 --> 03:05:33,040
and it's a book that um

5134
03:05:37,190 --> 03:05:35,200
yeah the point that that's

5135
03:05:39,510 --> 03:05:37,200
one of the ones that i'd read

5136
03:05:41,510 --> 03:05:39,520
to prep for our first one and just to

5137
03:05:43,429 --> 03:05:41,520
give you at least a point of agreement

5138
03:05:44,790 --> 03:05:43,439
there was a point in time early on in my

5139
03:05:47,830 --> 03:05:44,800
masonic career

5140
03:05:51,670 --> 03:05:47,840
when i was a much earlier degree

5141
03:05:53,990 --> 03:05:51,680
and i let's say kind of looked into some

5142
03:05:57,030 --> 03:05:54,000
certain points and certain knowledge

5143
03:05:59,429 --> 03:05:57,040
um that was a little bit advanced

5144
03:06:01,190 --> 03:05:59,439
uh fairly far advanced from what i

5145
03:06:02,070 --> 03:06:01,200
should have been looking into for my

5146
03:06:03,190 --> 03:06:02,080
degree

5147
03:06:04,710 --> 03:06:03,200
and

5148
03:06:05,590 --> 03:06:04,720
you know that

5149
03:06:08,309 --> 03:06:05,600
was

5150
03:06:09,510 --> 03:06:08,319
later on that exact night

5151
03:06:10,710 --> 03:06:09,520
it's

5152
03:06:12,389 --> 03:06:10,720
knowing that there are three three main

5153
03:06:16,710 --> 03:06:12,399
degrees and three uh traditional

5154
03:06:17,510 --> 03:06:16,720
penalties um within those degrees

5155
03:06:20,070 --> 03:06:17,520
uh

5156
03:06:21,510 --> 03:06:20,080
you know there were i

5157
03:06:23,190 --> 03:06:21,520
well i was traveling to my place of

5158
03:06:25,510 --> 03:06:23,200
business at the time which

5159
03:06:28,389 --> 03:06:25,520
it was an after i was nightclub

5160
03:06:29,510 --> 03:06:28,399
uh i had to travel through a very i'm

5161
03:06:31,510 --> 03:06:29,520
going to say

5162
03:06:32,870 --> 03:06:31,520
it's not a bad part of town at least it

5163
03:06:35,190 --> 03:06:32,880
depends on the night and depends on the

5164
03:06:35,990 --> 03:06:35,200
people but i escaped three dangers that

5165
03:06:38,150 --> 03:06:36,000
night

5166
03:06:40,710 --> 03:06:38,160
each one increasingly

5167
03:06:44,309 --> 03:06:42,550
i'm going to say more

5168
03:06:47,269 --> 03:06:44,319
let's see there was uh

5169
03:06:49,110 --> 03:06:47,279
walking through the mall there was a

5170
03:06:50,309 --> 03:06:49,120
crazy man who was speaking all kinds of

5171
03:06:53,670 --> 03:06:50,319
gibberish

5172
03:06:54,790 --> 03:06:53,680
um the second one i forget exactly what

5173
03:06:57,429 --> 03:06:54,800
it was

5174
03:06:59,830 --> 03:06:57,439
and then the third one was i narrowly

5175
03:07:01,750 --> 03:06:59,840
escaped being part of a swarming and

5176
03:07:02,870 --> 03:07:01,760
beat down after getting into a cab and i

5177
03:07:04,870 --> 03:07:02,880
actually witnessed the entire thing

5178
03:07:05,590 --> 03:07:04,880
happen on the side of the street

5179
03:07:11,190 --> 03:07:05,600
and

5180
03:07:13,750 --> 03:07:11,200
nightclub um i met up with my my partner

5181
03:07:16,790 --> 03:07:13,760
and he you know he handed me something

5182
03:07:18,950 --> 03:07:16,800
and it was you know like

5183
03:07:21,190 --> 03:07:18,960
you know he like the report and the

5184
03:07:22,550 --> 03:07:21,200
writing on the report was essentially

5185
03:07:25,269 --> 03:07:22,560
the you know

5186
03:07:29,590 --> 03:07:25,279
uh was a simple symbol of the degree

5187
03:07:31,590 --> 03:07:30,550
and

5188
03:07:41,429 --> 03:07:31,600
i

5189
03:07:44,630 --> 03:07:41,439
that

5190
03:07:48,469 --> 03:07:46,230
especially for somebody who's new to it

5191
03:07:51,510 --> 03:07:48,479
it's hard for them to get past

5192
03:07:53,510 --> 03:07:51,520
no i took it as a clear and present um

5193
03:07:55,110 --> 03:07:53,520
you know a clear and present

5194
03:07:56,150 --> 03:07:55,120
message from the universe to saying like

5195
03:07:58,630 --> 03:07:56,160
you're

5196
03:07:59,590 --> 03:07:58,640
looking into stuff that is a deep wide

5197
03:08:01,910 --> 03:07:59,600
chasm

5198
03:08:04,950 --> 03:08:01,920
um with an endless bottom and you are

5199
03:08:06,870 --> 03:08:04,960
not ready to see this yet

5200
03:08:08,389 --> 03:08:06,880
so now

5201
03:08:10,710 --> 03:08:08,399
just just a couple more things before we

5202
03:08:13,429 --> 03:08:10,720
finish off for the night um

5203
03:08:15,269 --> 03:08:13,439
the wayne leonard who is a regular

5204
03:08:17,510 --> 03:08:15,279
listener on the show he's asking about

5205
03:08:19,830 --> 03:08:17,520
the elephant slab which uh you may or

5206
03:08:23,030 --> 03:08:19,840
may not have heard of it's apparently

5207
03:08:24,550 --> 03:08:23,040
at the arizona university or arizona

5208
03:08:27,750 --> 03:08:24,560
um

5209
03:08:29,510 --> 03:08:27,760
and it was found in new mexico actually

5210
03:08:31,190 --> 03:08:29,520
i think it was found in new mexico

5211
03:08:33,349 --> 03:08:31,200
and uh

5212
03:08:36,389 --> 03:08:33,359
there's no prior documentation to it of

5213
03:08:38,630 --> 03:08:36,399
from before 1950 there are only drawings

5214
03:08:40,550 --> 03:08:38,640
of it but no actual pictures

5215
03:08:42,870 --> 03:08:40,560
and apparently the

5216
03:08:44,309 --> 03:08:42,880
symbols and writing on it are very close

5217
03:08:46,830 --> 03:08:44,319
to cuneiform

5218
03:08:50,790 --> 03:08:46,840
have do you have any familiarity with

5219
03:08:51,910 --> 03:08:50,800
this um no i don't and the cuneiform

5220
03:08:54,710 --> 03:08:51,920
language

5221
03:08:56,150 --> 03:08:54,720
i haven't studied um

5222
03:08:58,150 --> 03:08:56,160
it's like one of the things on the list

5223
03:08:59,990 --> 03:08:58,160
i know that there was a symbolic

5224
03:09:01,670 --> 03:09:00,000
language prior to cuneiform which would

5225
03:09:06,469 --> 03:09:01,680
really be the language that i would want

5226
03:09:08,950 --> 03:09:06,479
to focus on if if i were to study it

5227
03:09:10,790 --> 03:09:08,960
but i haven't devoted any direct

5228
03:09:11,910 --> 03:09:10,800
effort to it just incidental information

5229
03:09:17,590 --> 03:09:11,920
about

5230
03:09:23,990 --> 03:09:17,600
um

5231
03:09:25,510 --> 03:09:24,000
depending on where where the artifact

5232
03:09:27,349 --> 03:09:25,520
was found

5233
03:09:28,790 --> 03:09:27,359
and what culture was connected to i

5234
03:09:29,990 --> 03:09:28,800
might be able to figure some things out

5235
03:09:31,670 --> 03:09:30,000
about it there's a lot that can be

5236
03:09:33,269 --> 03:09:31,680
learned just from

5237
03:09:34,710 --> 03:09:33,279
a dictionary of the language of the

5238
03:09:37,750 --> 03:09:34,720
group especially if it's an ancient

5239
03:09:42,230 --> 03:09:40,070
um but i don't have any off the top i

5240
03:09:45,349 --> 03:09:42,240
had any information about it

5241
03:09:47,110 --> 03:09:45,359
okay you know i'm at least uh at least i

5242
03:09:48,389 --> 03:09:47,120
got that covered wayne thank you very

5243
03:09:49,670 --> 03:09:48,399
much for asking

5244
03:09:52,150 --> 03:09:49,680
um

5245
03:09:53,110 --> 03:09:52,160
do you have any issues with with uh

5246
03:09:55,190 --> 03:09:53,120
taking

5247
03:09:57,990 --> 03:09:55,200
uh a like a call or two

5248
03:09:59,910 --> 03:09:58,000
if uh if we have time no that's fine

5249
03:10:01,670 --> 03:09:59,920
okay sure that's fine all right if if

5250
03:10:03,510 --> 03:10:01,680
there's anybody who wants to call in i

5251
03:10:05,030 --> 03:10:03,520
again i have um

5252
03:10:06,389 --> 03:10:05,040
let's see i've got this very handy

5253
03:10:09,030 --> 03:10:06,399
contraption

5254
03:10:11,110 --> 03:10:09,040
set up uh on my uh

5255
03:10:13,110 --> 03:10:11,120
on my ipad or it's i've got the ipad

5256
03:10:14,790 --> 03:10:13,120
connected into my mixer and i've got

5257
03:10:16,230 --> 03:10:14,800
skype connected to it so

5258
03:10:18,070 --> 03:10:16,240
we're going to see if this works if you

5259
03:10:20,389 --> 03:10:18,080
see this number right here it's a

5260
03:10:22,309 --> 03:10:20,399
manhattan number but if you're in you

5261
03:10:23,429 --> 03:10:22,319
are in the united states or anywhere

5262
03:10:26,469 --> 03:10:23,439
else in the world you can call this

5263
03:10:28,710 --> 03:10:26,479
number and if you want to ask a laird a

5264
03:10:39,030 --> 03:10:28,720
uh question directly you can it the

5265
03:10:44,389 --> 03:10:41,269
seven 1-347-789-7977 eight nine

5266
03:10:47,110 --> 03:10:44,399
seven nine seven seven uh again we're

5267
03:10:48,150 --> 03:10:47,120
gonna see if this works i've got my

5268
03:10:51,990 --> 03:10:48,160
uh

5269
03:10:53,190 --> 03:10:52,000
i'm not sure if it's gonna connect on my

5270
03:10:54,389 --> 03:10:53,200
desktop

5271
03:10:55,830 --> 03:10:54,399
skype as well

5272
03:10:57,269 --> 03:10:55,840
or if it'll switch it over or if it'll

5273
03:10:58,230 --> 03:10:57,279
actually connect through this and then

5274
03:11:01,990 --> 03:10:58,240
through

5275
03:11:05,830 --> 03:11:02,000
mixer so we'll we'll try this out if

5276
03:11:10,389 --> 03:11:07,910
while we're waiting for that there's um

5277
03:11:12,710 --> 03:11:10,399
a story about the point the title of the

5278
03:11:14,389 --> 03:11:12,720
point of origin book itself that ties to

5279
03:11:16,550 --> 03:11:14,399
what we were talking about

5280
03:11:17,590 --> 03:11:16,560
that as i was doing the research for the

5281
03:11:19,590 --> 03:11:17,600
book

5282
03:11:22,389 --> 03:11:19,600
the sources that were leading me to the

5283
03:11:24,309 --> 03:11:22,399
information were themselves describing

5284
03:11:26,389 --> 03:11:24,319
thing after thing as being the point of

5285
03:11:28,150 --> 03:11:26,399
origin of such and such here's the point

5286
03:11:30,150 --> 03:11:28,160
of origin of agriculture because the

5287
03:11:32,710 --> 03:11:30,160
point of origin of metallurgy is the

5288
03:11:34,870 --> 03:11:32,720
point of origin of and just

5289
03:11:36,309 --> 03:11:34,880
resource after resource these authors

5290
03:11:37,750 --> 03:11:36,319
where each independently describing

5291
03:11:38,710 --> 03:11:37,760
something at the point of origin of

5292
03:11:41,030 --> 03:11:38,720
something

5293
03:11:42,790 --> 03:11:41,040
so by the time the book was finished

5294
03:11:44,630 --> 03:11:42,800
i had the title for the book it had to

5295
03:11:47,110 --> 03:11:44,640
be pointed forward and the title went

5296
03:11:48,070 --> 03:11:47,120
with the material hand in hand

5297
03:11:49,510 --> 03:11:48,080
and so

5298
03:11:51,190 --> 03:11:49,520
when i submitted the manuscript to the

5299
03:11:54,070 --> 03:11:51,200
publisher i said that upfront i said

5300
03:11:55,670 --> 03:11:54,080
look this material unfortunately comes

5301
03:11:58,790 --> 03:11:55,680
with a title i know you like to assign

5302
03:12:00,710 --> 03:11:58,800
titles but if you're going to accept the

5303
03:12:02,870 --> 03:12:00,720
submission you i need you to accept

5304
03:12:04,790 --> 03:12:02,880
point of origin as the title of it and

5305
03:12:06,790 --> 03:12:04,800
they sort of yes yes yes me all the way

5306
03:12:08,870 --> 03:12:06,800
along until it came down to actually

5307
03:12:10,469 --> 03:12:08,880
signing the title at which point they

5308
03:12:12,790 --> 03:12:10,479
did everything they could to sort of arm

5309
03:12:14,630 --> 03:12:12,800
twist me into making it point of origin

5310
03:12:15,990 --> 03:12:14,640
go back to tepe because we go back to

5311
03:12:19,269 --> 03:12:16,000
tepe was the

5312
03:12:21,030 --> 03:12:19,279
hot topic of the moment but i felt that

5313
03:12:22,870 --> 03:12:21,040
adding go back to tape on the end of it

5314
03:12:23,830 --> 03:12:22,880
only limited the audience didn't expand

5315
03:12:25,910 --> 03:12:23,840
it

5316
03:12:27,190 --> 03:12:25,920
and so i finally had to say them you

5317
03:12:29,190 --> 03:12:27,200
know if

5318
03:12:31,190 --> 03:12:29,200
if it's a deal breaker you know this was

5319
03:12:33,269 --> 03:12:31,200
a prerequisite of the submission if you

5320
03:12:35,429 --> 03:12:33,279
see this as a deal breaker

5321
03:12:36,389 --> 03:12:35,439
i'm sorry that that's the truth but but

5322
03:12:38,710 --> 03:12:36,399
that's the way it's going to be the

5323
03:12:41,190 --> 03:12:38,720
material needs this title it's not my

5324
03:12:43,910 --> 03:12:41,200
choice they came together

5325
03:12:46,150 --> 03:12:43,920
and they finally respected that

5326
03:12:48,550 --> 03:12:46,160
and it also kind of goes to how i i

5327
03:12:49,750 --> 03:12:48,560
think i stopped actually naming shows

5328
03:12:52,070 --> 03:12:49,760
um

5329
03:12:53,590 --> 03:12:52,080
based on well i think except for the the

5330
03:12:56,070 --> 03:12:53,600
show we had with the rocky stucci

5331
03:12:58,389 --> 03:12:56,080
because you know you've got a guy whose

5332
03:13:00,710 --> 03:12:58,399
show we're trying to help get out there

5333
03:13:01,910 --> 03:13:00,720
and it was literally his show for that

5334
03:13:03,349 --> 03:13:01,920
episode so

5335
03:13:04,790 --> 03:13:03,359
that was the only one we had based on

5336
03:13:06,870 --> 03:13:04,800
that actual subject matter whereas

5337
03:13:07,830 --> 03:13:06,880
everything else has been more fun

5338
03:13:09,910 --> 03:13:07,840
um

5339
03:13:12,309 --> 03:13:09,920
uh metaphorical names like you know this

5340
03:13:13,429 --> 03:13:12,319
was today's episode was a breed links to

5341
03:13:15,750 --> 03:13:13,439
the past

5342
03:13:16,710 --> 03:13:15,760
which goes back to the whole covered

5343
03:13:18,950 --> 03:13:16,720
over

5344
03:13:20,469 --> 03:13:18,960
uh and considering the subject matter we

5345
03:13:22,070 --> 03:13:20,479
just talked about

5346
03:13:23,269 --> 03:13:22,080
you know there's a lot

5347
03:13:26,790 --> 03:13:23,279
buried

5348
03:13:29,670 --> 03:13:26,800
and how it links to our past and

5349
03:13:30,870 --> 03:13:29,680
well it's uh you know go goes back to

5350
03:13:35,110 --> 03:13:30,880
the whole

5351
03:13:36,870 --> 03:13:35,120
discovering information or just having

5352
03:13:38,710 --> 03:13:36,880
it fed to you through the ether or fed

5353
03:13:40,070 --> 03:13:38,720
to anyone through the ether

5354
03:13:43,030 --> 03:13:40,080
um now

5355
03:13:45,670 --> 03:13:43,040
while we're waiting uh if i know

5356
03:13:49,910 --> 03:13:45,680
who asked that question

5357
03:13:50,870 --> 03:13:49,920
let's see uh cosmodub says um

5358
03:13:52,550 --> 03:13:50,880
uh

5359
03:13:55,349 --> 03:13:52,560
let's see new drinking game every single

5360
03:13:57,429 --> 03:13:55,359
time chris says he's a mason take a shot

5361
03:13:59,510 --> 03:13:57,439
okay yeah put that one in there

5362
03:14:00,870 --> 03:13:59,520
um

5363
03:14:03,429 --> 03:14:00,880
okay actually no so while you're waiting

5364
03:14:07,510 --> 03:14:03,439
uh what about good versus error and not

5365
03:14:07,520 --> 03:14:11,750
well where later traditions

5366
03:14:18,070 --> 03:14:15,590
see an opposition between good and evil

5367
03:14:20,710 --> 03:14:18,080
the archaic philosophy

5368
03:14:23,110 --> 03:14:20,720
has expressed by the dogan and in a

5369
03:14:25,110 --> 03:14:23,120
tradition called samkhya

5370
03:14:26,309 --> 03:14:25,120
the opposition is between truth and

5371
03:14:28,229 --> 03:14:26,319
error

5372
03:14:30,870 --> 03:14:28,239
not good and evil

5373
03:14:32,150 --> 03:14:30,880
now there's a the implication to that is

5374
03:14:35,110 --> 03:14:32,160
i mean certain there are huge

5375
03:14:38,229 --> 03:14:35,120
implications to that first of all

5376
03:14:41,190 --> 03:14:38,239
without a concept of good and evil being

5377
03:14:42,950 --> 03:14:41,200
central to your religion it's not really

5378
03:14:43,910 --> 03:14:42,960
possible to have a concept of a heaven

5379
03:14:45,429 --> 03:14:43,920
or hell

5380
03:14:47,830 --> 03:14:45,439
it's not really possible to have a

5381
03:14:49,510 --> 03:14:47,840
concept of sin

5382
03:14:54,630 --> 03:14:49,520
truth and error

5383
03:14:59,349 --> 03:14:56,070
opposition

5384
03:15:00,550 --> 03:14:59,359
and it's in keeping with the outlook of

5385
03:15:02,469 --> 03:15:00,560
the entire tradition which is

5386
03:15:07,190 --> 03:15:02,479
non-judgmental

5387
03:15:07,200 --> 03:15:10,229
uh

5388
03:15:13,670 --> 03:15:12,070
help and don't hurt sort of

5389
03:15:15,349 --> 03:15:13,680
mindset

5390
03:15:18,870 --> 03:15:15,359
um they're not trying not trying to

5391
03:15:21,750 --> 03:15:20,630
help people along

5392
03:15:23,429 --> 03:15:21,760
um

5393
03:15:25,510 --> 03:15:23,439
so the the truth and error concept is

5394
03:15:27,349 --> 03:15:25,520
something i try to keep in mind that's

5395
03:15:29,110 --> 03:15:27,359
the outlook i try to have on

5396
03:15:30,309 --> 03:15:29,120
on the world doesn't even say truth in

5397
03:15:31,830 --> 03:15:30,319
lies

5398
03:15:34,389 --> 03:15:31,840
there's an implication of lying that

5399
03:15:36,309 --> 03:15:34,399
isn't there with error it's basically

5400
03:15:40,309 --> 03:15:36,319
saying either you if you have the right

5401
03:15:45,030 --> 03:15:42,309
it's like the uh what they tried to

5402
03:15:48,309 --> 03:15:45,040
instill in us in advertising which was

5403
03:15:50,389 --> 03:15:48,319
you know it's okay to make mistakes um

5404
03:15:53,190 --> 03:15:50,399
you know failing isn't bad it teaches

5405
03:15:54,309 --> 03:15:53,200
you how to be better down the road

5406
03:15:56,870 --> 03:15:54,319
right

5407
03:15:59,269 --> 03:15:56,880
and most importantly i learned from my

5408
03:16:01,510 --> 03:15:59,279
upbringing in oregon and

5409
03:16:03,429 --> 03:16:01,520
from visits to other places in the world

5410
03:16:06,229 --> 03:16:03,439
that have a similar outlook

5411
03:16:08,309 --> 03:16:06,239
the incredible value in a societal

5412
03:16:10,790 --> 03:16:08,319
expectation that people

5413
03:16:13,030 --> 03:16:10,800
are going to do the ethical and the

5414
03:16:14,630 --> 03:16:13,040
right thing

5415
03:16:17,429 --> 03:16:14,640
and so

5416
03:16:19,429 --> 03:16:17,439
the castings in terms of truth and error

5417
03:16:20,710 --> 03:16:19,439
doesn't even allow it's not even framing

5418
03:16:25,510 --> 03:16:20,720
the idea that you might have

5419
03:16:29,030 --> 03:16:27,349
okay um

5420
03:16:31,510 --> 03:16:29,040
when you have a societal expectation

5421
03:16:33,349 --> 03:16:31,520
like that

5422
03:16:35,830 --> 03:16:33,359
becomes possible to not lock doors of

5423
03:16:37,750 --> 03:16:35,840
houses and it becomes possible to leave

5424
03:16:40,070 --> 03:16:37,760
valuable things out where and know that

5425
03:16:41,830 --> 03:16:40,080
nobody's going to pick them up

5426
03:16:43,429 --> 03:16:41,840
it becomes possible to trust the guy who

5427
03:16:44,950 --> 03:16:43,439
wants to give you a ride because your

5428
03:16:47,429 --> 03:16:44,960
car broke down

5429
03:16:49,190 --> 03:16:47,439
all sorts of good things accrue from

5430
03:16:51,510 --> 03:16:49,200
a societal expectation of doing the

5431
03:16:53,990 --> 03:16:51,520
right thing that the guy who's the head

5432
03:16:56,550 --> 03:16:54,000
of the top corporation doesn't try to do

5433
03:16:59,030 --> 03:16:56,560
unethical things because everyone around

5434
03:16:59,830 --> 03:16:59,040
him is expecting that he won't

5435
03:17:03,190 --> 03:16:59,840
and

5436
03:17:05,429 --> 03:17:03,200
if he were to get caught doing that

5437
03:17:06,790 --> 03:17:05,439
everything in his in his life his world

5438
03:17:08,550 --> 03:17:06,800
falls down

5439
03:17:10,870 --> 03:17:08,560
if he doesn't uphold that

5440
03:17:12,469 --> 03:17:10,880
and it's not a religious expectation

5441
03:17:14,950 --> 03:17:12,479
it's not you're going to be you're going

5442
03:17:17,990 --> 03:17:14,960
to go to hell if you do the wrong thing

5443
03:17:20,150 --> 03:17:18,000
it's really a question of

5444
03:17:20,950 --> 03:17:20,160
responsibility to the people around you

5445
03:17:22,870 --> 03:17:20,960
and

5446
03:17:28,070 --> 03:17:22,880
being seen as having

5447
03:17:32,229 --> 03:17:29,830
and is this something that is you know

5448
03:17:35,590 --> 03:17:32,239
is not like you you wish were shown more

5449
03:17:35,600 --> 03:17:38,950
is this something that you'd wish

5450
03:17:44,710 --> 03:17:42,309
oh um no and this

5451
03:17:47,750 --> 03:17:44,720
uh i didn't have any expectations about

5452
03:17:49,750 --> 03:17:47,760
um about today so well no not not to

5453
03:17:51,750 --> 03:17:49,760
well today being you know the current uh

5454
03:17:53,030 --> 03:17:51,760
atmosphere especially with uh with

5455
03:17:54,950 --> 03:17:53,040
everything that's going on in the united

5456
03:17:55,990 --> 03:17:54,960
states with you know the deep political

5457
03:17:57,830 --> 03:17:56,000
divisions

5458
03:17:59,830 --> 03:17:57,840
uh between right

5459
03:18:01,349 --> 03:17:59,840
the challenge is to bring it back around

5460
03:18:03,110 --> 03:18:01,359
to the point where

5461
03:18:04,630 --> 03:18:03,120
um

5462
03:18:06,469 --> 03:18:04,640
well first of all it's not possible to

5463
03:18:08,070 --> 03:18:06,479
bring a background to the point of

5464
03:18:10,229 --> 03:18:08,080
personal responsibility if you can't

5465
03:18:12,150 --> 03:18:10,239
bring things around to a truth if people

5466
03:18:14,469 --> 03:18:12,160
won't it won't

5467
03:18:16,389 --> 03:18:14,479
allow for the possibility that there's a

5468
03:18:19,910 --> 03:18:16,399
truth to an issue

5469
03:18:21,590 --> 03:18:19,920
then there's no way to get agreement on

5470
03:18:22,710 --> 03:18:21,600
what behavior should be

5471
03:18:24,870 --> 03:18:22,720
and so

5472
03:18:26,389 --> 03:18:24,880
focus has to be on principles and you

5473
03:18:29,190 --> 03:18:26,399
have to get agreement on what what

5474
03:18:30,630 --> 03:18:29,200
principle a person is endorsing

5475
03:18:32,950 --> 03:18:30,640
to be able to

5476
03:18:34,630 --> 03:18:32,960
to start to foster that kind of a an

5477
03:18:36,550 --> 03:18:34,640
outlook

5478
03:18:39,590 --> 03:18:36,560
really

5479
03:18:41,510 --> 03:18:39,600
i have confidence that things will come

5480
03:18:43,830 --> 03:18:41,520
back around but it's gonna have to hit

5481
03:18:46,389 --> 03:18:43,840
bottom first

5482
03:18:48,389 --> 03:18:46,399
uh no i have um an individual who's i'm

5483
03:18:50,070 --> 03:18:48,399
waiting for him to add me to skype or at

5484
03:18:52,389 --> 03:18:50,080
least give me his skype name so i can

5485
03:18:54,469 --> 03:18:52,399
add him because apparently if the way

5486
03:18:56,070 --> 03:18:54,479
that skype is now and i understand why

5487
03:18:58,389 --> 03:18:56,080
jimmy church has

5488
03:18:59,750 --> 03:18:58,399
you know skype versions archived that go

5489
03:19:01,670 --> 03:18:59,760
back you know a couple of years because

5490
03:19:03,590 --> 03:19:01,680
the features were better than apparently

5491
03:19:05,750 --> 03:19:03,600
whereas if something's coming in i can't

5492
03:19:07,030 --> 03:19:05,760
actually add that to the to the

5493
03:19:09,190 --> 03:19:07,040
conversation

5494
03:19:11,110 --> 03:19:09,200
uh i actually have to add the person to

5495
03:19:13,590 --> 03:19:11,120
the list and then add them

5496
03:19:15,429 --> 03:19:13,600
so let me see here uh actually i'm just

5497
03:19:22,150 --> 03:19:15,439
gonna take a picture of that

5498
03:19:27,030 --> 03:19:24,950
hello you're on the air

5499
03:19:29,030 --> 03:19:27,040
hey this is wayne uh hello wayne how are

5500
03:19:30,469 --> 03:19:29,040
you doing

5501
03:19:32,710 --> 03:19:30,479
i'm doing very well

5502
03:19:34,870 --> 03:19:32,720
uh laird are you still with us

5503
03:19:36,630 --> 03:19:34,880
i'm with you i can't hear wayne but i i

5504
03:19:37,990 --> 03:19:36,640
i'll use you as our middleman oh what

5505
03:19:40,229 --> 03:19:38,000
one second how about how about that is

5506
03:19:43,030 --> 03:19:40,239
that better

5507
03:19:45,030 --> 03:19:43,040
uh wayne is here no i can't oh there we

5508
03:19:46,469 --> 03:19:45,040
go there we go okay

5509
03:19:48,389 --> 03:19:46,479
sir go ahead wayne

5510
03:19:49,590 --> 03:19:48,399
hello wayne how are you doing

5511
03:19:55,750 --> 03:19:49,600
i'm doing

5512
03:19:58,830 --> 03:19:57,510
would you able to turn down your the

5513
03:20:02,389 --> 03:19:58,840
volume on your

5514
03:20:05,590 --> 03:20:02,399
side oh wait yes absolutely

5515
03:20:09,910 --> 03:20:07,429
okay perfect let's see that delay is

5516
03:20:12,150 --> 03:20:09,920
wicked yeah it um i think i almost had

5517
03:20:13,590 --> 03:20:12,160
my my computer fry itself with that but

5518
03:20:15,590 --> 03:20:13,600
okay go ahead go ahead what was your

5519
03:20:18,389 --> 03:20:15,600
question

5520
03:20:20,790 --> 03:20:18,399
yeah so i was really curious to uh hear

5521
03:20:23,349 --> 03:20:20,800
more about something that laird had

5522
03:20:27,349 --> 03:20:23,359
mentioned in an earlier conversation

5523
03:20:29,349 --> 03:20:27,359
about the elements and how most mostly

5524
03:20:31,269 --> 03:20:29,359
we think about earth wind fire etc but

5525
03:20:33,750 --> 03:20:31,279
there's this other connection to the

5526
03:20:36,229 --> 03:20:33,760
ancient egyptian version of you know

5527
03:20:38,389 --> 03:20:36,239
insects for like a beast birds and so

5528
03:20:40,309 --> 03:20:38,399
forth i'm just curious to uh hear a

5529
03:20:41,750 --> 03:20:40,319
little more about that if you

5530
03:20:43,590 --> 03:20:41,760
have some additional thoughts you could

5531
03:20:46,710 --> 03:20:43,600
offer

5532
03:20:48,790 --> 03:20:46,720
okay imagine that you were trying to

5533
03:20:51,110 --> 03:20:48,800
um convey a set of information to

5534
03:20:56,070 --> 03:20:51,120
somebody

5535
03:20:59,030 --> 03:20:57,190
imagine you were trying to convey

5536
03:21:01,030 --> 03:20:59,040
information to somebody in the future

5537
03:21:02,630 --> 03:21:01,040
but you had no idea

5538
03:21:04,469 --> 03:21:02,640
what their frame of reference was going

5539
03:21:06,150 --> 03:21:04,479
to be

5540
03:21:08,150 --> 03:21:06,160
and so

5541
03:21:12,389 --> 03:21:08,160
you're trying to if you're going to try

5542
03:21:16,229 --> 03:21:14,150
that's going to be more universal which

5543
03:21:18,309 --> 03:21:16,239
is what the symbolism really is it's an

5544
03:21:20,710 --> 03:21:18,319
attempt to convey things in a generic

5545
03:21:24,150 --> 03:21:20,720
way not in

5546
03:21:26,950 --> 03:21:24,160
not in terms of a specific language

5547
03:21:29,269 --> 03:21:26,960
what the cosmology does is

5548
03:21:31,349 --> 03:21:29,279
it frames things in multiple ways it's

5549
03:21:33,670 --> 03:21:31,359
like the cubit two representations of

5550
03:21:36,550 --> 03:21:33,680
how to measure it every concept is

5551
03:21:38,229 --> 03:21:36,560
presented in multiple ways hoping that

5552
03:21:39,830 --> 03:21:38,239
one of the metaphors is going to get

5553
03:21:41,590 --> 03:21:39,840
through to us we're going to understand

5554
03:21:43,670 --> 03:21:41,600
what they're talking about because of

5555
03:21:45,349 --> 03:21:43,680
the thing they compared it to

5556
03:21:46,150 --> 03:21:45,359
and

5557
03:21:48,710 --> 03:21:46,160
so

5558
03:21:51,110 --> 03:21:48,720
in dougan culture there's a

5559
03:21:53,110 --> 03:21:51,120
the basis for this is a generic metaphor

5560
03:21:55,429 --> 03:21:53,120
that's given in relation to

5561
03:21:58,150 --> 03:21:55,439
concepts of building a house we're back

5562
03:21:59,830 --> 03:21:58,160
to the scarab ray house

5563
03:22:02,389 --> 03:21:59,840
the

5564
03:22:03,830 --> 03:22:02,399
first stage of it's really i really more

5565
03:22:05,990 --> 03:22:03,840
related to the idea of drawing an

5566
03:22:07,750 --> 03:22:06,000
architectural plan for warehouse if

5567
03:22:09,990 --> 03:22:07,760
you've ever if you've ever done an

5568
03:22:10,870 --> 03:22:10,000
architectural drawing you begin with end

5569
03:22:13,349 --> 03:22:10,880
points

5570
03:22:15,830 --> 03:22:13,359
of the structure you know

5571
03:22:18,630 --> 03:22:15,840
dots at the corners and and where the

5572
03:22:20,469 --> 03:22:18,640
junctures are the doorways and so forth

5573
03:22:22,950 --> 03:22:20,479
the second phase is to add additional

5574
03:22:24,389 --> 03:22:22,960
points to flesh out the

5575
03:22:28,950 --> 03:22:24,399
details of the

5576
03:22:30,950 --> 03:22:28,960
the third stage is to draw lines between

5577
03:22:33,429 --> 03:22:30,960
the points to have an outline of the

5578
03:22:36,070 --> 03:22:33,439
structure and the last phase is the

5579
03:22:40,710 --> 03:22:38,710
that's one metaphor

5580
03:22:42,870 --> 03:22:40,720
now that metaphor gets repeated a number

5581
03:22:45,510 --> 03:22:42,880
of different ways one is water fire wind

5582
03:22:47,990 --> 03:22:45,520
and earth which

5583
03:22:51,030 --> 03:22:48,000
allows us to

5584
03:22:52,469 --> 03:22:51,040
categorize symbols if there's a

5585
03:22:54,070 --> 03:22:52,479
symbolic reference that pertains to

5586
03:22:55,670 --> 03:22:54,080
water you know they're talking about the

5587
03:22:59,510 --> 03:22:55,680
first

5588
03:23:00,950 --> 03:22:59,520
creation if they're talking about earth

5589
03:23:03,590 --> 03:23:00,960
they're talking about the last quarter

5590
03:23:06,150 --> 03:23:03,600
of of the processes of creation

5591
03:23:08,229 --> 03:23:06,160
another one pertains to the animal world

5592
03:23:09,190 --> 03:23:08,239
it goes insects

5593
03:23:12,070 --> 03:23:09,200
fish

5594
03:23:13,590 --> 03:23:12,080
four-legged animals and birds

5595
03:23:15,670 --> 03:23:13,600
that one's helpful when we look at the

5596
03:23:18,550 --> 03:23:15,680
egyptian gods because

5597
03:23:21,110 --> 03:23:18,560
the gods have heads of animals

5598
03:23:24,229 --> 03:23:21,120
kepper who has that of an insect

5599
03:23:26,229 --> 03:23:24,239
represents the concept of non-uh

5600
03:23:27,750 --> 03:23:26,239
non-existence coming into existence and

5601
03:23:30,870 --> 03:23:27,760
that in the first

5602
03:23:33,429 --> 03:23:30,880
the four stages of creation thoth who's

5603
03:23:35,670 --> 03:23:33,439
the god of the word which is sort of the

5604
03:23:37,990 --> 03:23:35,680
culmination of process of creation as

5605
03:23:39,510 --> 03:23:38,000
compared to a word

5606
03:23:42,229 --> 03:23:39,520
represents

5607
03:23:44,710 --> 03:23:42,239
his symbolism falls in the top quarter

5608
03:23:46,710 --> 03:23:44,720
of the register and so these metaphors

5609
03:23:48,950 --> 03:23:46,720
are there to help us categorize things

5610
03:23:51,670 --> 03:23:48,960
another one's given in terms of four

5611
03:23:55,269 --> 03:23:51,680
stages of the growth of a plant from a

5612
03:23:57,590 --> 03:23:55,279
seed to finally to a grown plant another

5613
03:24:00,229 --> 03:23:57,600
one is given in relation to the

5614
03:24:02,389 --> 03:24:00,239
formation of a spoken word

5615
03:24:05,830 --> 03:24:02,399
our formation of a word in general it

5616
03:24:07,830 --> 03:24:05,840
begins with a a sign and ends with

5617
03:24:10,229 --> 03:24:07,840
a word

5618
03:24:11,590 --> 03:24:10,239
so these different metaphors

5619
03:24:13,510 --> 03:24:11,600
once you understand that they're all

5620
03:24:14,790 --> 03:24:13,520
talking about the same thing it makes it

5621
03:24:16,790 --> 03:24:14,800
much easier

5622
03:24:18,389 --> 03:24:16,800
to sort through the complicated

5623
03:24:20,710 --> 03:24:18,399
symbolism that's going on because you

5624
03:24:26,389 --> 03:24:20,720
can say okay you can file things where

5625
03:24:32,389 --> 03:24:28,309
hope that helps

5626
03:24:36,229 --> 03:24:35,030
yes i am okay and did that did that come

5627
03:24:37,990 --> 03:24:36,239
through clear this the first time we've

5628
03:24:39,510 --> 03:24:38,000
had we've taken a a caller in this

5629
03:24:43,220 --> 03:24:39,520
manner it's a new system tonight so i

5630
03:24:43,230 --> 03:24:57,110
[Music]

5631
03:25:02,790 --> 03:24:58,469
sorry about that i just got some

5632
03:25:02,800 --> 03:25:07,590
sorry one second

5633
03:25:12,950 --> 03:25:09,910
all right go ahead

5634
03:25:17,349 --> 03:25:14,950
that was great thank you so much for uh

5635
03:25:19,110 --> 03:25:17,359
bringing that back in and then my my

5636
03:25:21,750 --> 03:25:19,120
other question was if cleric's been

5637
03:25:23,830 --> 03:25:21,760
looking at anything here within uh north

5638
03:25:26,469 --> 03:25:23,840
america lately or if there's anything

5639
03:25:28,950 --> 03:25:26,479
maybe in the pipeline uh related to

5640
03:25:32,389 --> 03:25:28,960
north american culture and

5641
03:25:35,190 --> 03:25:32,399
myths of say the inuits or hopi um the

5642
03:25:38,870 --> 03:25:35,200
puebloans down in chaco anything along

5643
03:25:40,870 --> 03:25:38,880
those lines that we can look forward to

5644
03:25:45,670 --> 03:25:40,880
um

5645
03:25:47,429 --> 03:25:45,680
one of the things i do in the maori book

5646
03:25:49,590 --> 03:25:47,439
are actually in the scarborough book and

5647
03:25:51,349 --> 03:25:49,600
the continuing the maori book

5648
03:25:52,630 --> 03:25:51,359
is i trace these

5649
03:25:54,950 --> 03:25:52,640
pygmy

5650
03:25:57,910 --> 03:25:54,960
teachers of the dogan in later eras down

5651
03:25:59,990 --> 03:25:57,920
into the uk further into scotland and

5652
03:26:03,030 --> 03:26:00,000
and ireland and the uk

5653
03:26:04,950 --> 03:26:03,040
and the tradition in ireland is

5654
03:26:07,110 --> 03:26:04,960
that

5655
03:26:09,990 --> 03:26:07,120
these pygmies are associated with the

5656
03:26:11,910 --> 03:26:10,000
picts or possibly even with the fairy

5657
03:26:14,229 --> 03:26:11,920
traditions in the uk

5658
03:26:17,269 --> 03:26:14,239
and the perspective is that they were

5659
03:26:19,110 --> 03:26:17,279
forced to leave the uk and they left

5660
03:26:20,790 --> 03:26:19,120
one that says they left across the

5661
03:26:22,389 --> 03:26:20,800
western ocean

5662
03:26:24,070 --> 03:26:22,399
the other went by boat

5663
03:26:25,510 --> 03:26:24,080
the other one says that they went to the

5664
03:26:27,030 --> 03:26:25,520
underworld

5665
03:26:28,550 --> 03:26:27,040
now you go to

5666
03:26:31,750 --> 03:26:28,560
new zealand

5667
03:26:34,469 --> 03:26:31,760
and you have a similar tradition of

5668
03:26:36,790 --> 03:26:34,479
pygmies that are associated with fairies

5669
03:26:39,750 --> 03:26:36,800
but their perspective is that these

5670
03:26:42,150 --> 03:26:39,760
pygmies came by boat across the western

5671
03:26:44,070 --> 03:26:42,160
or across the from the eastern

5672
03:26:46,469 --> 03:26:44,080
uh side of the ocean

5673
03:26:49,030 --> 03:26:46,479
and the ancient name for new zealand

5674
03:26:50,710 --> 03:26:49,040
means uh can be interpreted to mean uh

5675
03:26:52,389 --> 03:26:50,720
first circle of the underworld that's

5676
03:26:55,190 --> 03:26:52,399
one of the the traditional

5677
03:26:57,190 --> 03:26:55,200
interpretations of it so

5678
03:27:00,150 --> 03:26:57,200
the new zealand side captures both

5679
03:27:02,070 --> 03:27:00,160
aspects of the ireland myth

5680
03:27:03,990 --> 03:27:02,080
and you can see that there's a likely

5681
03:27:05,990 --> 03:27:04,000
path of trans transmission here there's

5682
03:27:08,630 --> 03:27:06,000
a lot of other comparisons to be made

5683
03:27:10,469 --> 03:27:08,640
but um along the way there are lots of

5684
03:27:12,469 --> 03:27:10,479
other points where it looks like we have

5685
03:27:15,990 --> 03:27:12,479
signs of them you can see it with

5686
03:27:17,990 --> 03:27:16,000
the cherokee indians um i'm very

5687
03:27:19,910 --> 03:27:18,000
frequently in contact with gary david

5688
03:27:21,110 --> 03:27:19,920
about commonalities between the hopi

5689
03:27:22,309 --> 03:27:21,120
indian and

5690
03:27:23,510 --> 03:27:22,319
the dogen

5691
03:27:26,830 --> 03:27:23,520
um

5692
03:27:27,830 --> 03:27:26,840
symbols and words and traditions uh

5693
03:27:29,910 --> 03:27:27,840
i um

5694
03:27:31,590 --> 03:27:29,920
exchanged a couple emails with him just

5695
03:27:34,870 --> 03:27:31,600
in the last weekend he and graham

5696
03:27:37,190 --> 03:27:34,880
hancock were together in arizona

5697
03:27:41,510 --> 03:27:39,269
i see signs that they were in south

5698
03:27:43,510 --> 03:27:41,520
central and south america we see signs

5699
03:27:46,630 --> 03:27:43,520
of the monisto island in other places in

5700
03:27:50,309 --> 03:27:46,640
polynesia in hawaii places like that you

5701
03:27:52,070 --> 03:27:50,319
see signs of them in australia

5702
03:27:54,389 --> 03:27:52,080
so

5703
03:27:55,990 --> 03:27:54,399
any indirectly yes there are mentions of

5704
03:27:57,830 --> 03:27:56,000
this stuff i haven't actually written a

5705
03:27:58,630 --> 03:27:57,840
book a focused book

5706
03:28:06,070 --> 03:27:58,640
on

5707
03:28:10,630 --> 03:28:08,150
a siberian yurt

5708
03:28:13,750 --> 03:28:10,640
and a navajo round house one form of

5709
03:28:15,990 --> 03:28:13,760
siberian yurt has the same architectural

5710
03:28:17,190 --> 03:28:16,000
plan and symbolism as a navajo

5711
03:28:19,269 --> 03:28:17,200
roundhouse

5712
03:28:22,070 --> 03:28:19,279
now there's another form of siberian

5713
03:28:24,469 --> 03:28:22,080
yurt or mongolian yurt

5714
03:28:26,469 --> 03:28:24,479
that is called a tp

5715
03:28:28,229 --> 03:28:26,479
and it's built like a north american

5716
03:28:29,750 --> 03:28:28,239
indian tv

5717
03:28:31,670 --> 03:28:29,760
so

5718
03:28:33,349 --> 03:28:31,680
we can tell simply to the architecture

5719
03:28:35,110 --> 03:28:33,359
that there's got to be connections there

5720
03:28:36,830 --> 03:28:35,120
these are these are these can't be

5721
03:28:39,750 --> 03:28:36,840
coincidental this can these are

5722
03:28:42,389 --> 03:28:39,760
signatures that imply that

5723
03:28:44,870 --> 03:28:42,399
there was a connection between asia and

5724
03:28:48,550 --> 03:28:44,880
north america at some point after 10 000

5725
03:28:52,229 --> 03:28:50,070
uh you know that that's that's a

5726
03:28:54,150 --> 03:28:52,239
fantastic answer for for for that

5727
03:28:56,150 --> 03:28:54,160
particular question um especially

5728
03:28:58,389 --> 03:28:56,160
dealing with with the hopi indians

5729
03:29:00,550 --> 03:28:58,399
and and the possible connections now uh

5730
03:29:03,269 --> 03:29:00,560
i think i fixed the problem i may have

5731
03:29:05,510 --> 03:29:03,279
actually turned up one channel too high

5732
03:29:07,910 --> 03:29:05,520
and that caused kind of a feedback loop

5733
03:29:09,750 --> 03:29:07,920
so i turned that down so wayne i if you

5734
03:29:12,309 --> 03:29:09,760
want to chime in i think i've got you

5735
03:29:14,309 --> 03:29:12,319
sorted out

5736
03:29:16,070 --> 03:29:14,319
great yeah no thank you so much for that

5737
03:29:17,429 --> 03:29:16,080
answer there that was really interesting

5738
03:29:18,229 --> 03:29:17,439
that was exactly what i was curious

5739
03:29:19,429 --> 03:29:18,239
about

5740
03:29:21,590 --> 03:29:19,439
um

5741
03:29:23,269 --> 03:29:21,600
no i yeah i have lots of other questions

5742
03:29:24,790 --> 03:29:23,279
but i know i've gone quite a while so

5743
03:29:27,510 --> 03:29:24,800
i'm not sure if anybody else might want

5744
03:29:30,790 --> 03:29:27,520
to jump in but thank you so much for for

5745
03:29:33,269 --> 03:29:30,800
the books i'm looking forward to them

5746
03:29:34,630 --> 03:29:33,279
and uh wayne so thank you very much i

5747
03:29:37,670 --> 03:29:34,640
think we're just going to take one more

5748
03:29:39,750 --> 03:29:37,680
question and i know it said laird and i

5749
03:29:41,510 --> 03:29:39,760
are both on the eastern coast uh which

5750
03:29:42,710 --> 03:29:41,520
is eastern standard time

5751
03:29:44,630 --> 03:29:42,720
and

5752
03:29:45,910 --> 03:29:44,640
uh you you've done coast to coast a.m

5753
03:29:47,670 --> 03:29:45,920
which i know is like three o'clock or

5754
03:29:49,349 --> 03:29:47,680
four o'clock in the morning and we don't

5755
03:29:51,990 --> 03:29:49,359
want to get to that point uh my wife

5756
03:29:54,710 --> 03:29:52,000
would kill me if i go much longer so

5757
03:29:57,510 --> 03:29:56,550
um

5758
03:29:59,590 --> 03:29:57,520
so

5759
03:30:01,349 --> 03:29:59,600
cosmo if um

5760
03:30:02,389 --> 03:30:01,359
let's see there was one question causing

5761
03:30:03,830 --> 03:30:02,399
my head this will be the last question

5762
03:30:06,870 --> 03:30:03,840
tonight we're gonna finish things off

5763
03:30:08,070 --> 03:30:06,880
here uh in relation to earth air fire

5764
03:30:08,950 --> 03:30:08,080
and wind

5765
03:30:11,110 --> 03:30:08,960
um

5766
03:30:12,150 --> 03:30:11,120
does a fifth element find a place uh

5767
03:30:16,229 --> 03:30:12,160
like

5768
03:30:18,710 --> 03:30:16,239
found in the platonic solids

5769
03:30:21,110 --> 03:30:18,720
in some cultures it does you go to china

5770
03:30:25,670 --> 03:30:21,120
and you end up with

5771
03:30:29,110 --> 03:30:27,510
in some cultures you end up finding an

5772
03:30:32,389 --> 03:30:29,120
additional metal type

5773
03:30:36,150 --> 03:30:33,670
it's

5774
03:30:37,590 --> 03:30:36,160
the best way i can explain it is

5775
03:30:39,269 --> 03:30:37,600
there's uh

5776
03:30:40,870 --> 03:30:39,279
in china there's a tradition about the e

5777
03:30:43,269 --> 03:30:40,880
ching

5778
03:30:44,469 --> 03:30:43,279
and depending on who you ask what it

5779
03:30:46,389 --> 03:30:44,479
symbolizes

5780
03:30:48,710 --> 03:30:46,399
you get conflicting answers and the

5781
03:30:50,710 --> 03:30:48,720
reason you do is because a thousand

5782
03:30:51,990 --> 03:30:50,720
different interpretations of the iching

5783
03:30:53,830 --> 03:30:52,000
have been made over the years and

5784
03:30:56,070 --> 03:30:53,840
written about and published

5785
03:30:58,870 --> 03:30:56,080
and each one of them may or may not have

5786
03:30:59,990 --> 03:30:58,880
some pertinence or some application to

5787
03:31:02,229 --> 03:31:00,000
the original

5788
03:31:03,910 --> 03:31:02,239
symbolism of the concept

5789
03:31:05,110 --> 03:31:03,920
and this the same thing happens with

5790
03:31:07,910 --> 03:31:05,120
these we have a certain amount of

5791
03:31:09,990 --> 03:31:07,920
telephone game um going on with these

5792
03:31:11,990 --> 03:31:10,000
these symbols we know because of the

5793
03:31:14,630 --> 03:31:12,000
dogen model and because of the

5794
03:31:18,710 --> 03:31:14,640
parallelism of how these metaphors work

5795
03:31:19,990 --> 03:31:18,720
that four is the appointed number of of

5796
03:31:22,469 --> 03:31:20,000
um

5797
03:31:24,710 --> 03:31:22,479
elements in this metaphor there's also

5798
03:31:27,830 --> 03:31:24,720
cosmological reasons why it is before

5799
03:31:31,429 --> 03:31:27,840
our our universe is seen as the

5800
03:31:32,790 --> 03:31:31,439
the fourth of seven pairs of universes

5801
03:31:33,910 --> 03:31:32,800
and so

5802
03:31:36,229 --> 03:31:33,920
um

5803
03:31:37,990 --> 03:31:36,239
that symbolism relates in a couple of

5804
03:31:39,510 --> 03:31:38,000
different ways to that number four but

5805
03:31:42,070 --> 03:31:39,520
we know the force should be the proper

5806
03:31:43,750 --> 03:31:42,080
number so then i can tell that when i

5807
03:31:45,110 --> 03:31:43,760
come across a culture that has five

5808
03:31:48,389 --> 03:31:45,120
instead of four

5809
03:31:50,389 --> 03:31:48,399
that the earlier form is the dogan one

5810
03:31:53,830 --> 03:31:50,399
similarly we have some differences

5811
03:31:56,070 --> 03:31:53,840
between a dog or a buddhist stupa shrine

5812
03:31:58,469 --> 03:31:56,080
and a dogen greenery shrine which are

5813
03:32:00,389 --> 03:31:58,479
essentially the same form but with a

5814
03:32:01,670 --> 03:32:00,399
couple of interesting differences

5815
03:32:02,469 --> 03:32:01,680
the stupa

5816
03:32:04,790 --> 03:32:02,479
um

5817
03:32:07,190 --> 03:32:04,800
culminates in a squared base

5818
03:32:09,110 --> 03:32:07,200
on on the ground and rises to round

5819
03:32:11,590 --> 03:32:09,120
structures in the roof

5820
03:32:13,349 --> 03:32:11,600
the dogen form

5821
03:32:15,750 --> 03:32:13,359
culminates in the cir actually begins

5822
03:32:16,710 --> 03:32:15,760
and culminates with a circular base

5823
03:32:19,830 --> 03:32:16,720
and

5824
03:32:21,510 --> 03:32:19,840
finishes up with a squared flat roof

5825
03:32:23,830 --> 03:32:21,520
that's really the main structural

5826
03:32:25,750 --> 03:32:23,840
difference between the two but

5827
03:32:28,070 --> 03:32:25,760
as you learn about the way the symbolism

5828
03:32:30,630 --> 03:32:28,080
works and why it works the way that it

5829
03:32:32,870 --> 03:32:30,640
works you understand that the dogen is

5830
03:32:34,710 --> 03:32:32,880
the original the earlier form and the

5831
03:32:36,309 --> 03:32:34,720
buddhist is the later form

5832
03:32:38,469 --> 03:32:36,319
and part that's part of what all these

5833
03:32:40,630 --> 03:32:38,479
metaphors is about also is helping to

5834
03:32:43,110 --> 03:32:40,640
sort out um

5835
03:32:45,110 --> 03:32:43,120
timelines they're they're ways of

5836
03:32:47,429 --> 03:32:45,120
correlating the culture so you can say

5837
03:32:48,150 --> 03:32:47,439
well if this culture calls this thing

5838
03:32:51,510 --> 03:32:48,160
this

5839
03:32:52,790 --> 03:32:51,520
connected at a certain point

5840
03:32:54,630 --> 03:32:52,800
historically

5841
03:32:55,830 --> 03:32:54,640
with the tradition i could tell about

5842
03:32:57,670 --> 03:32:55,840
new zealand

5843
03:33:01,110 --> 03:32:57,680
where their influences had to come from

5844
03:33:04,630 --> 03:33:02,710
uh and

5845
03:33:05,910 --> 03:33:04,640
cosmo thank you very much for for asking

5846
03:33:07,030 --> 03:33:05,920
that and alert thank you very much for

5847
03:33:08,550 --> 03:33:07,040
answering it

5848
03:33:10,309 --> 03:33:08,560
i know it's getting late

5849
03:33:12,950 --> 03:33:10,319
um i just wanted to give one quick shout

5850
03:33:16,229 --> 03:33:12,960
out to uh josh maddock he's one of our

5851
03:33:18,950 --> 03:33:16,239
master uh contributors on patreon.com uh

5852
03:33:22,150 --> 03:33:18,960
again our patrons ensure that we can

5853
03:33:24,309 --> 03:33:22,160
stay 100 ad-free uh sponsor-free which

5854
03:33:25,750 --> 03:33:24,319
means we are censorship-free you know

5855
03:33:27,269 --> 03:33:25,760
except for youtube and even if they

5856
03:33:29,030 --> 03:33:27,279
started to censor us i would find a way

5857
03:33:30,710 --> 03:33:29,040
to make sure the show could be on air

5858
03:33:32,309 --> 03:33:30,720
every single week which means we can

5859
03:33:33,750 --> 03:33:32,319
talk about what we want when we want for

5860
03:33:36,070 --> 03:33:33,760
as long as we want to make sure we can

5861
03:33:38,309 --> 03:33:36,080
go as deep as we want to give you the

5862
03:33:41,030 --> 03:33:38,319
best show and so that you can all learn

5863
03:33:42,309 --> 03:33:41,040
some cool [\h__\h] um and uh josh maddock

5864
03:33:44,070 --> 03:33:42,319
he's uh

5865
03:33:45,910 --> 03:33:44,080
had to sleep fairly early he missed the

5866
03:33:47,590 --> 03:33:45,920
entire show i told him i'd give him a

5867
03:33:51,190 --> 03:33:47,600
shout out at the beginning of the show i

5868
03:33:53,030 --> 03:33:51,200
forgot at that time so you know josh if

5869
03:33:54,790 --> 03:33:53,040
you're listening uh thank you very much

5870
03:33:56,309 --> 03:33:54,800
for supporting us and making sure that

5871
03:33:57,190 --> 03:33:56,319
we can bring this show to every single

5872
03:33:59,510 --> 03:33:57,200
week

5873
03:34:01,910 --> 03:33:59,520
um and laird again thank you very much

5874
03:34:03,110 --> 03:34:01,920
for your time and for your candor and

5875
03:34:04,870 --> 03:34:03,120
just for all of your hard work and just

5876
03:34:07,030 --> 03:34:04,880
being an awesome guy

5877
03:34:07,830 --> 03:34:07,040
um

5878
03:34:10,870 --> 03:34:07,840
like

5879
03:34:12,389 --> 03:34:10,880
there's a an old uh fable about uh

5880
03:34:14,309 --> 03:34:12,399
knight who finds a little bird this is

5881
03:34:15,590 --> 03:34:14,319
actually my wife's story it finds a

5882
03:34:17,429 --> 03:34:15,600
little bird by the side of the road

5883
03:34:18,469 --> 03:34:17,439
lying on its back with its feet stuck up

5884
03:34:20,150 --> 03:34:18,479
in the air

5885
03:34:21,910 --> 03:34:20,160
and the knight stops and he says little

5886
03:34:23,269 --> 03:34:21,920
bird why are you lying by the side of

5887
03:34:25,030 --> 03:34:23,279
the road with your feet stuck up in the

5888
03:34:26,150 --> 03:34:25,040
air and the bird says i'm holding up the

5889
03:34:28,150 --> 03:34:26,160
sky

5890
03:34:30,150 --> 03:34:28,160
and the night laughs and he says you

5891
03:34:32,070 --> 03:34:30,160
silly little bird how can you possibly

5892
03:34:33,670 --> 03:34:32,080
think that those two spin little little

5893
03:34:36,790 --> 03:34:33,680
legs are gonna hold up the entire big

5894
03:34:38,550 --> 03:34:36,800
sky and the bird says one does what one

5895
03:34:40,389 --> 03:34:38,560
can

5896
03:34:43,510 --> 03:34:40,399
and that's the way i look at my work one

5897
03:34:43,520 --> 03:34:47,349
you know and

5898
03:34:51,349 --> 03:34:49,190
it is stay in line with me after after

5899
03:34:52,309 --> 03:34:51,359
the uh the show's done uh just just for

5900
03:34:53,990 --> 03:34:52,319
a quick second just want to be able to

5901
03:34:56,790 --> 03:34:54,000
follow up with some stuff with you

5902
03:34:58,389 --> 03:34:56,800
and um uh you know but before we go off

5903
03:35:00,389 --> 03:34:58,399
the air and normally this would be the

5904
03:35:01,910 --> 03:35:00,399
time where i invite denver michael's on

5905
03:35:04,550 --> 03:35:01,920
uh but denver don't worry you have the

5906
03:35:06,950 --> 03:35:04,560
night off there is no sandwiches to rate

5907
03:35:09,510 --> 03:35:06,960
uh we've got two weeks to plan that out

5908
03:35:12,469 --> 03:35:09,520
so i'm going to

5909
03:35:14,070 --> 03:35:12,479
give you the choice of our outro song

5910
03:35:15,590 --> 03:35:14,080
which is traditionally

5911
03:35:18,150 --> 03:35:15,600
when we end the show with the guests we

5912
03:35:21,910 --> 03:35:18,160
give them the choice of song

5913
03:35:26,389 --> 03:35:21,920
for today you have the option of

5914
03:35:29,429 --> 03:35:26,399
freedom planet orchestra heaven's disco

5915
03:35:32,309 --> 03:35:30,630
the minutes

5916
03:35:37,110 --> 03:35:32,319
and

5917
03:35:37,120 --> 03:35:40,630
spectrum

5918
03:35:44,070 --> 03:35:42,790
i would have to go with the minutes the

5919
03:35:45,830 --> 03:35:44,080
minutes all right let's see what this

5920
03:35:49,030 --> 03:35:45,840
one is because there's so many songs on

5921
03:35:52,870 --> 03:35:51,190
oh i like this one actually

5922
03:35:54,550 --> 03:35:52,880
good choice

5923
03:35:56,550 --> 03:35:54,560
um

5924
03:35:58,870 --> 03:35:56,560
so uh ladies and gentlemen if you tuned

5925
03:36:01,830 --> 03:35:58,880
in and again shout out to jimmy church

5926
03:36:04,150 --> 03:36:01,840
who is a fantastic man and you know just

5927
03:36:06,389 --> 03:36:04,160
all around good uh

5928
03:36:07,910 --> 03:36:06,399
gonna say inspiration for this show and

5929
03:36:09,990 --> 03:36:07,920
how we kind of do things

5930
03:36:12,870 --> 03:36:10,000
uh we i know we were running parallel to

5931
03:36:14,870 --> 03:36:12,880
uh to his uh uh fade or not or fader

5932
03:36:16,469 --> 03:36:14,880
night with uh john rapper po

5933
03:36:18,630 --> 03:36:16,479
and uh

5934
03:36:20,630 --> 03:36:18,640
kind of feel bad at the same time i

5935
03:36:22,070 --> 03:36:20,640
think we had a fantastic

5936
03:36:23,510 --> 03:36:22,080
time so i don't feel bad at all because

5937
03:36:25,110 --> 03:36:23,520
you were here laird

5938
03:36:26,790 --> 03:36:25,120
and

5939
03:36:28,229 --> 03:36:26,800
uh you know

5940
03:36:33,429 --> 03:36:28,239
this is this is this is a show for the

5941
03:36:37,349 --> 03:36:34,870
well i had um good time too thank you

5942
03:36:39,750 --> 03:36:37,359
very much it's my absolute pleasure and

5943
03:36:42,150 --> 03:36:39,760
a privilege now uh next week ladies and

5944
03:36:43,030 --> 03:36:42,160
gentlemen uh we have

5945
03:36:45,349 --> 03:36:43,040
uh

5946
03:36:46,870 --> 03:36:45,359
it's on it's on a saturday and the

5947
03:36:50,229 --> 03:36:46,880
reason for this is

5948
03:36:52,070 --> 03:36:50,239
uh when we originally booked the show

5949
03:36:54,070 --> 03:36:52,080
he said thursdays was fine his contract

5950
03:36:57,830 --> 03:36:54,080
changed now he's working 12 in the

5951
03:36:58,950 --> 03:36:57,840
afternoon until uh 8 p.m on on eastern

5952
03:37:02,950 --> 03:36:58,960
standard time

5953
03:37:04,710 --> 03:37:02,960
and this is um charles p o'dale uh

5954
03:37:07,190 --> 03:37:04,720
one of our earliest episodes episode

5955
03:37:08,469 --> 03:37:07,200
seven we only had an easy like quick

5956
03:37:10,389 --> 03:37:08,479
three hours with him and we could have

5957
03:37:11,750 --> 03:37:10,399
gone five um

5958
03:37:14,070 --> 03:37:11,760
for this entire show was on the younger

5959
03:37:17,349 --> 03:37:14,080
driest impact hypothesis

5960
03:37:19,750 --> 03:37:17,359
and the initial presentation was

5961
03:37:21,510 --> 03:37:19,760
him explaining everything about impact

5962
03:37:23,349 --> 03:37:21,520
craters that he had visited and the

5963
03:37:25,349 --> 03:37:23,359
characteristics of them and i think we

5964
03:37:26,870 --> 03:37:25,359
touched on the younger dryas impact

5965
03:37:29,190 --> 03:37:26,880
hypothesis for about half an hour and it

5966
03:37:30,469 --> 03:37:29,200
was rushed uh and it was because while i

5967
03:37:31,910 --> 03:37:30,479
got a call from my wife and it's like

5968
03:37:33,110 --> 03:37:31,920
okay come pick me up now so i have to

5969
03:37:35,030 --> 03:37:33,120
wrap things up

5970
03:37:35,930 --> 03:37:35,040
and you know this is why we do the

5971
03:37:37,110 --> 03:37:35,940
throwback month

5972
03:37:38,070 --> 03:37:37,120
[Music]

5973
03:37:40,150 --> 03:37:38,080
so

5974
03:37:42,469 --> 03:37:40,160
you gotta catch on the 24th

5975
03:37:46,150 --> 03:37:42,479
uh we're starting at 7 p.m so we can go

5976
03:37:47,910 --> 03:37:46,160
a little bit later and you need to watch

5977
03:37:49,590 --> 03:37:47,920
this show it's going to be possibly a

5978
03:37:51,349 --> 03:37:49,600
full presentation there may be a bottle

5979
03:37:52,469 --> 03:37:51,359
of scotch or two involved

5980
03:37:54,070 --> 03:37:52,479
and

5981
03:37:55,830 --> 03:37:54,080
uh you know

5982
03:37:58,469 --> 03:37:55,840
go check it out in the schedule

5983
03:38:00,710 --> 03:37:58,479
he's uh also a member of the royal

5984
03:38:02,469 --> 03:38:00,720
astronomical society of canada ottawa

5985
03:38:03,910 --> 03:38:02,479
chapter and he's done multiple

5986
03:38:05,110 --> 03:38:03,920
presentations

5987
03:38:08,150 --> 03:38:05,120
on his

5988
03:38:11,750 --> 03:38:08,160
uh excursions to impact craters whether

5989
03:38:12,710 --> 03:38:11,760
it's in person over land sea or in the

5990
03:38:13,830 --> 03:38:12,720
air

5991
03:38:17,110 --> 03:38:13,840
uh

5992
03:38:20,070 --> 03:38:18,710
man

5993
03:38:21,830 --> 03:38:20,080
go just

5994
03:38:24,309 --> 03:38:21,840
schedule it set your reminder and we'll

5995
03:38:27,349 --> 03:38:24,319
see you on that saturday um

5996
03:38:28,550 --> 03:38:27,359
this is uh chris george zuger from the

5997
03:38:31,510 --> 03:38:28,560
dead of lore

5998
03:38:33,450 --> 03:38:31,520
uh signing off thank you

5999
03:38:47,940 --> 03:38:33,460
all